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Old 11-29-2013, 04:27 PM
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Does $4850 (shipped to my door) for a complete swap/pullout LS1 and T56 plus all the accessories, harness and ECM sound like a decent deal? 61,000 miles.

I have been watching for parts cars for months, way before I found the '69 but haven't found anything under $6500.

Personally, I'm not too fussy on the motor itself as I can always work on it and upgrade it as I go. It's the accessories, intake and the pan and the peripherals that I'd rather get as a package deal as that stuff can get expensive fast. From what I understand, getting an LS1 is the best way to get the most stuff that actually fits.
What year is the motor? Doesn't sound like a killer deal to me. I paid $3800 + shipping waaaaaaay back in '04 or '05 for a pullout 2002 Z28 motor and T56 trans with about 50k. I think you can get a brand new LS3 and T56 for $9-10k range which is what I would go for if you can swing it.
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What year is the motor? Doesn't sound like a killer deal to me. I paid $3800 + shipping waaaaaaay back in '04 or '05 for a pullout 2002 Z28 motor and T56 trans with about 50k. I think you can get a brand new LS3 and T56 for $9-10k range which is what I would go for if you can swing it.
It's a 2002 firebird. Yeah, I don't think it's a steal or anything. Did your pullout come with everything though? Ideally, I'd like to get most of what I need in one shot though it may not be possible.

I can't swing the $9-10K. Right now, I have $5000 left over from the difference of selling my other car. Obviously, it's going to cost me more but after the "bulk purchase" it will be smaller stuff that I can buy as I go which won't hurt as much with my bonus coming and an income tax return. It's a good time of the year to be working on this.

I just paid over $800 for gas to heat my house and garage....now that hurt! Don't want to work on the car without heat though!
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thats a pretty fair price. i paid 3200 for an LS1 out of a 42k mile GTO. with acc & harness & computer, so figure your getting a 2000$ tranny on top of that.

So hardware, exhaust, cooling, fuel and your there. Can maybe get it done under 7k...it'll be close though
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thats a pretty fair price. i paid 3200 for an LS1 out of a 42k mile GTO. with acc & harness & computer, so figure your getting a 2000$ tranny on top of that.

So hardware, exhaust, cooling, fuel and your there. Can maybe get it done under 7k...it'll be close though
Yeah, maybe it's not too bad. I'm trying to price other; more piecemeal, options right now and that price is starting to look better and better. Found another complete car for $6200 but it's got 116k on it. I just don't know if I could part out the rest to make up the difference.
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Thats a fair price for an LS/T56. They were cheaper and easier to come by a few years ago. Even though the engines themselves are getting older they are in higher demand now.

One thing I'll mention is if you really want to run it flex fuel and you want to use a GM ecm you'll want a newer engine with a 58x reluctor wheel. Then you can use an E38 ecm along with a fuel composition sensor.

Other options are to switch the reluctor wheel and cam gear in the LS1 to run a newer ecm, or use aftermarket engine management with flex fuel capability.
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Thats a fair price for an LS/T56. They were cheaper and easier to come by a few years ago. Even though the engines themselves are getting older they are in higher demand now.

One thing I'll mention is if you really want to run it flex fuel and you want to use a GM ecm you'll want a newer engine with a 58x reluctor wheel. Then you can use an E38 ecm along with a fuel composition sensor.

Other options are to switch the reluctor wheel and cam gear in the LS1 to run a newer ecm, or use aftermarket engine management with flex fuel capability.
Are there any good options for an after-market engine management system that will run flex and will work for forced induction (when I have the money to add it). I've looked before and it seems it's hard to get the best of both worlds. I've been interested lately in the Holley dominator with it's self learning but don't know if it would work for this. I'm willing to learn to tune and even bought a book on tuning the ls series of engines but something that's more plug and play would be great.

Thanks for everyones help so far!
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Big Stuff3 or ProEfi can both do it but my personal preference for something like this is the stock GM controller.

HP tuners has custom speed density operating systems which work excellent for boosted applications.
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You should be able to pick up a complete LQ4 or LQ9, iron block 6.0l for under $2000, plus a T56 trans for under $2000. Better starting point for building power down the road.
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You should be able to pick up a complete LQ4 or LQ9, iron block 6.0l for under $2000, plus a T56 trans for under $2000. Better starting point for building power down the road.
The LQ4 or LQ9; yes. I can get those cheaper than that actually, at least in my neck of the woods. However; it seems to me that by the time I add all the proper accessories, oil pan, intake and misc it becomes more expensive pretty fast. Am I wrong? Is there something I'm missing?

I sure wish the stupid T56's weren't so ridiculously expensive. It's pretty bad when a modern era transmission from a salvage yard is going for more than a date code correct/car matching M22. Does anyone have a source of decent rebuild ones?
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What i did on the tranny was picked up an LT1 t-56 (i had a sbc at the time) and 2nd gear was bad (typical on these), so when i did my LS swap, i went too Rockland Gear and ordered their kit to convert. I picked up the tranny for 900, the kit was 400 and the rebuild kit was 700 ish if i remember correctly. I paid for labor which was 700 or so and ended up buying two input shafts (one for the LT which i still have brand new and one for the LS)

So, if you can source an LT (800+/-) the kit for 400+/- and the rebuild kit (it turns the tranny into a magnum) for 1200+/-, you have a very stout tranny and waaaay stronger than a stock LS tranny....
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