Electric cars vs Muscle Cars

[Panteracer]

I guess our time might be getting short for our
Muscle cars...

I go to good guys to sell some of my stuff and
go to watch the autocross and a Tesla is tearing
things up and the announcer states a Model 3
almost won the shootout at the Arizona Good guys

I'm at Cars and Coffee and my buddy was telling me
Monday they ran at Thunderhill and a Model 3 was
stuck to the back of one of our buddies that has a
S2000 with a Viper engine, flairs, big tires etc
He could not shake him.. I know it is technically at Honda but...

So we all agreed they are fast but don't sound like
a real car.. I guess they are working on software where
you can make it sound like anything you want

I still think taking my Pantera or Firebird out is a hell of
a lot cooler than some plug in but not sure how long
I will be able to do that especially in Cali

Bob

[SSLance]

Chris Alverado ran one at Optima in Daytona last weekend also. Recently
saw a local post asking about charging stations at local road course because a guy wants to HPDE his model 3.

Gotta respect the technology but hard to not go "get off my lawn" about this at same time.

[214Chevy]

I don't own a Tesla, but I have a couple of friends who do and I'll echo the statement that they are fast a lightening. I mean pin you to the seat fast when you stomp on the pedal. The power is unbelievable.

[Vegas69]

I think it's great.

[out2kayak]

There are a few things that I can't get over with electric vehicles:

1. I own a '57 Chevy, '64 Corvette and a '67 Chevelle. Would it be reasonable to expect a battery powered vehicle to be as operable with even half of the duration of the newest (1967) car?

2. If battery powered vehicles are so good, why must the government force us, the people, to purchase them? The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) tax credit is for $2,500 to $7,500 per new EV purchased for use in the U.S. Yep, the money that is taken from you and I is funding (in part) the purchase of these vehicles. If you want one of these cars, pay for it yourself.

3. What new power plants are being created to provide the energy for these vehicles? There are no new nuclear, coal, etc, As far as I can tell, we are looking at more natural gas and solar PV (ref: https://www.technology.org/2019/03/1...-and-solar-pv/).

Given the US uses a daily average of about 391.40 million gallons and there is approximately 35.3 KWH per gallon, we need to generate approximately 13,816.42 GWh (if my calculations are correct).

Given the entire landmass of the US receives about 10GWh from the Sun, I don't think solar is going to get there.

So, how are we going to fuel these vehicles?

4. How are we going to get the metals necessary for the batteries? Consider:
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...attery-future/
Are we willing to do more mining and open more mines?

So, where does that leave us? All riding the bus? Hard to hang a corner in that.

Sorry, not to be the grumpy guy nor be political. I just don't see this as a real long-term viable solution without the elimination of cars for the vast majority of the population.

[SSLance]

https://youtu.be/KP3CC036JNI

[Gscherer78ta]

Originally Posted by out2kayak

3. What new power plants are being created to provide the energy for these vehicles? There are no new nuclear, coal, etc, As far as I can tell, we are looking at more natural gas and solar PV (ref: https://www.technology.org/2019/03/1...-and-solar-pv/).

Given the US uses a daily average of about 391.40 million gallons and there is approximately 35.3 KWH per gallon, we need to generate approximately 13,816.42 GWh (if my calculations are correct).

Given the entire landmass of the US receives about 10GWh from the Sun, I don't think solar is going to get there.

So, how are we going to fuel these vehicles?

4. How are we going to get the metals necessary for the batteries? Consider:
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...attery-future/
Are we willing to do more mining and open more mines?

So, where does that leave us? All riding the bus? Hard to hang a corner in that.

Sorry, not to be the grumpy guy nor be political. I just don't see this as a real long-term viable solution without the elimination of cars for the vast majority of the population.

I agree with # 3! I remember not long ago when E85 was the "next big thing" and the big debate was how were "we the people" supposed to decide between food on the table or E85 in our fuel tanks. When we all convert to E vehicles we will have to decide not to run our home AC units and big screen TV's so we can get to work the next day.

[im4u2nvss]

Electric cars are cool, and tesla has made them fast. I have a buddy that recently purchased a model 3 and ran high 11's over, and over. But the old muscle cars are timeless, I don't think people will be restoring there model 3s in 50 years. I also love the v8 sound. I could put a 2jz in my 67 camaro, and make more power for less money then an LS or SBC/BBC but the sound would be all wrong.

[Panteracer]

I am all for technology.. I live in the heart of it in the
Silicon Valley.. Tesla about 20 minutes from my house,
Google and apple even closer... use to ride my dirt bike
in the lot where the Apple spaceship is located
Tesla cars at every light I stop at.. Waymo self driving
cars have been going near my office for years
As a Contractor I have been working for many for years

Problem is most kids don't want to drive any more
Most want to live in the crowded cities and walk
or take Uber... Most say we will not drive cars in
the future they will drive us

I still listen to my classic rock and work on my
cars and drive them or race them whenever I can
Time is running out

The older I get the faster I was...

Bob

[preston]

How long can these cars really run laps without charging though ? That seems like it would take all the fun out of it.

That's a serious question - can they really run more than one 20 minute session at speed ?

Everytime I hear about how fast these cars are I always think, yeah, for about 5 minutes. Then you have to run home with your tail between your legs to spend 3 hours charging it.