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Old 08-30-2006, 10:42 PM
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We have the best street/track day setup you could get to bolt onto your car. More than likely it will require a much larger wheel, but 150-0 will be very repeatable.

Take a look at the AFX spindle, then look at the AP Racing brake setup.

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Old 08-30-2006, 11:01 PM
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I might consider the C5 swap, But I really like the pure strength of the new ZO6 brakes, I could never see brake fade with those.

As others have said, when tracked the C6 Z has brake issues. And if they do with a 3100 pound car, you can imagine with your weight.

You'll need more brake than that for hard track use.

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I have a pretty good idea what it takes to make it around the track except the adrenaline rush part! Sound a little small scale, but I am a very good and experienced RC car racer. Same principles, but real life. I just want to have some real fun. I have a buddy who was a track instructor at RA and we have torn it up a little, great fun!

Anyway. I just run a DOT 4 SYNTHETIC, I think, I havent looked at the bottle since winter. It is Valvoline brand though.

I might consider the C5 swap, But I really like the pure strength of the new ZO6 brakes, I could never see brake fade with those. I have to start doing alot of research on calipers and go from there.

I was really concerned about the high speeds because I have such a high powered heavy car that really taxes the brakes. Road America has some rediculously long straights and that brings some serious MPH!

I have always wanted to get into road racing. I am a very aggressive driver on the street and really want to take it to the track. Country backroads are real fun at 100+ but dangerous. Any sport bike rider will know what I am talking about. I regretfully had to sell the bike, and I really miss the "rides", but the car will do just the same......with a radio too! Yes, I drive the cars like they are meant to be driven. No trailer Queens for me!

What class do you race???, Bike I assume?

Man, you know it all you have some good ideas but just still need to let down on the macho attitude. I too thought I was pretty bad ass, until I realized I didn't know anything. But you are right, Road america looks ridiculous fast, and you will need some good brakes but like Charlie said your first day, or at least the first half of the day, don't worry about blasting down the straight. You sound like you are more worried about going fast down teh straight away then taking the turns quickly. Why even go to the track if your goal is top speed? I thought we already had this discussion????

But don't worry your outlook on all this is very typical for an inexperienced driver. Everyone thinks they are mario andretti unti they crash and burn

I don't race, and yes the bike. and for the record, I'm sure you'll make a great driver and such, but typically a lot of the guys who think they are great drivers from hauling ass up in the hills suddenly realize that they don't know anything and realize just how slow they really were, ask any biker how much slower and boring the street is after going to the track. Anyway this is getting repetative. Let us know what you plan to do in terms of braking. Don't do the Z06 stuff its crap, the C6/C5 stuff can't be beat for the price.

Here is what you need to do;
Do a C5 brake setup with some really good pads, Hawk race pads would be "okay" then spend the extra money you are saving on a set of good tires. Get some R compound tires, that will be the biggest improvement you can do. If you used to ride bikes than you should also know that tires are HUGE, same applies to cars, You will be able to not only brake harder but will get much more grip and stabilty. You should be able to do the C5 conversion for $4-$600 maybe even less

EDIT: sorry if I sound harsh or coming down on you, but after a few trackdays you will come back and read your posts and understand why I kinda jumped on you. You are heading in the right direction, and I woudln't worry about getting the car top notch, I would just take it as-is(maybe with the brakes and tires) and take it out there. Don't have any goals or expectations from yourself, just go do it to have fun and see what its about. Then over the winter build your car up. I think this would be a MUCH better plan, then building your car all up, and then going out and trying to beat a land speed record, and either crash trying, or dissapoint yourself and get stressed out. And for the record I am not great driver nor do I have years of experience doing it, but it was only a little while ago when I thought just like you did, and so I recognize what you are thinking. Whatever you do have fun and be safe because at the end of the day, you will never be the fastest and its much more fun to just relax and enjoy yourself

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Old 08-31-2006, 01:50 AM
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I have a pretty good idea what it takes to make it around the track except the adrenaline rush part! Sound a little small scale, but I am a very good and experienced RC car racer. Same principles, but real life.

So by that logic since I play Tom Clancy's "Splinter Cell" a bunch I am totally qualified for Special Forces Duty, and since I spank the monkey quite a bit that means I am good in bed.
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We have the best street/track day setup you could get to bolt onto your car. More than likely it will require a much larger wheel, but 150-0 will be very repeatable.

Take a look at the AFX spindle, then look at the AP Racing brake setup.

Tyler

Is that the fancy looking AP brakes above the touring classics set on your site??
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I want to set the car up first because a good car can help make up for a crappy driver!
Practice makes perfect and I am sure I will learn a ton on the first day. Luckily I have an experienced buddy I will bring along to show me as many pointers as he can to speed up the learning curve. I was real concerned with the speed because, the faster you go the less effective brakes are. That is my main concern, the brakes might help save me If I get ahead of myself!! I am excited about going, I am a super agressive driver and on the track I will be able to actually push myself to my limits and not have to worry about dangering myself or others, I can't wait. It has to be an absolute blast! By no means am I going because I think I am the best or to try and break any records, I just want to have fun and drive as fast as I can.

I am not wanting to go with a true race tire.... I used to run Pirelli PZERO slicks on the street a couple years ago! The problem was, they would take way to long to heat up before they would actually grip.... I was getting in trouble trying to go WAY faster then I should on off ramps and such to heat them up to get traction from them. What I am saying is, I have to have a tire that will grip on the street also. I cannot afford to run 2 sets of wheels and tires for track and street, I am forced to go dual purpose.

Really sounds like the C5 setup is the way to go from all the posts about them. I am really suprised about the negative feedback on the ZO6 stuff?? Those rotors and calipers look massive!!

Thanks for all the info, there is alot of good stuff here!!
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a full day of tracking your car hard will waste a set of tires. Especially with the weight of your car. I think you will find that your street tires will get "greasy" pretty quick .
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What tires have you run? I was thinking the BFG G-Force, or Some Pilots?
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Some R compound tires would work just fine on the street, some Toyo RA1's or anyting along those lines would work great on teh street and track.
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a full day of tracking your car hard will waste a set of tires. Especially with the weight of your car. I think you will find that your street tires will get "greasy" pretty quick .
A good set of street tires will last. I just replaced a set of Bridgestone RE730's with RE750's. (The RE730's aren't made anymore )



Those tires have about 28k miles on my Impala SS. As well as normal street duty, they have worked through more than 5 high speed open track events at BIR (3.1 mile track) and MAM (2.3 mile track). Each event was 90 to 100 miles on the track. There is several drag race days and a high speed autocross event (1.3 mile) on them also. My street driving has been called 'rental car like'.

I could only rotate front to rear and kept an eye on the pressure. I usually run them a little on the high side for PSI.

If it wasn't for the occasional rain that I have to drive in, those tires would still be on the car. I was really impressed with them. The new RE750's seem to work well too after one event, but don't 'look' as nice as the RE730's.

Just stay away from the $100 tires and you should be able to find a good street / track tire. Drive smooth with a decent suspension set up and you can make tires last a little while. I think the 1000 horsepower will be the hardest thing on your tires!

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