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03-14-2019, 02:02 PM
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Terminator X - Plug and play LS engine control
Anyone else excited about this? I am
https://www.holley.com/products/fuel.../terminator_x/
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Terminator X and X Max Features and Benefits
Plug and play LS engine control
GM Drive-by Wire Throttle Body Control (Terminator X Max Only)
GM Transmission Control (Terminator X Max Only)
Genuine Bosch LSU 4.9 Wideband Control (Will not work with LSU 4.2 Oxygen Sensors)
On-Board Diagnostic LEDS for: ECU Power – Engine Run – Wideband Status – TPS Calibration – Crank Signal – Cam Signal. Allow you to identify any Critical engine issues at a glance
Built in 1bar MAP Sensor, vacuum hose adapters included (1/8th – ¼ and 3/16ths) - or for Boosted applications, you can disable the internal MAP sensor, and utilize an external LS MAP Sensor, the harness comes with the connector terminated, making the installation a snap.
4 Inputs – 12v, Ground, 5v, and Frequency, for things such as additional pressure sensors, or activation triggers for nitrous activation, or a trans brake (Fuel and Oil Pressure Inputs are pre-terminated)
4 Outputs – Ground, PWM - , for accessories such as; fans, boost control, nitrous control, IAC Kit, and More
Boost Control – Boost vs Time, Boost vs Gear, Boost vs RPM, Boost vs Speed, Boost Safeties
Nitrous Control – Single Channel of Wet or Dry, Progressive or Non-Progressive, Rich/Lean Safeties, and target Closed Loop AFR
Advanced Tables – 4x 1D Tables, 1x 1D per Gear Table, 4x 2D Tables, 1x 2D per Gear Table
Integrated Datalogging to the 3.5” Handheld SD Card
Free EFI Tuning Software for complete control of your Terminator X power plant
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03-14-2019, 02:47 PM
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Nice on the surface = repackaged Dominator Credit Card Appeal
At $999.00, they don't compete, but they are getting closer. When they charge 500 extra bucks to control a dinosaur 4l80 (no 6l) and a super-modern DBW throttle body, it's a joke. They're also advertising boost control with a 1 bar MAP sensor--also a joke.
At $1500.00, they don't even compete with a GM plug and play for nearly any engine they sell. How about that wiring harness and gas pedal? You can get a GM e38 on eBay for less than a hundred bucks.
It's nice that Holley is sponsoring events, but there is a large similarity here to the way Optima tries to run its game/events. The company gets richer selling over-priced sucker gear, while the customer gets a really expensive T-shirt (but a lovely experience).
If one looks into the displays that Holley and others like Racepak sell, the basic hardware capability is less than that of a $40.00 Chinese tablet you can buy on eBay (and nearly any smartyphone).
I hate to say it, but the old Holley supported a hobby that basic incomes could support--I participated in the era of $200.00 carburetors when I was a teenager. The current trend of overly priced stuff like this has really helped to destroy the perceived (and real) accessibility of this hobby.
Instead of paying too much money for a purported self-tuning bunch of BS, people need to invest in learning to cobble, tune, and fail for a while. That's what hotrodding is supposed to be. If you can just buy your way in and flip a pretty switch, it's something else . . .
Sorry for the rant. The basic GM stuff and HPTuners win all day long.
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03-14-2019, 05:46 PM
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Wow negative nancy ^^^ lol.
What Holley CAN do that GM can't (to my knowledge), outlined on the Holley site:
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On-Board Diagnostic LEDS for: ECU Power – Engine Run – Wideband Status – TPS Calibration – Crank Signal – Cam Signal. Allow you to identify any Critical engine issues at a glance
-MAP Sensor vacuum hose adapters (1/8th – ¼ and 3/16ths)
-Genuine Bosch LSU 4.9 Wideband Control
-4 Inputs – 12v, Ground, 5v, and Frequency, for things such as additional pressure sensors, or activation triggers for nitrous activation, or a trans brake (Fuel and Oil Pressure Inputs are pre-terminated)
-4 Outputs – Ground, PWM - , for accessories such as; fans, boost control, nitrous control, IAC Kit, and More
-Boost Control – Boost vs Time, Boost vs Gear, Boost vs RPM, Boost vs Speed, Boost Safeties
-Nitrous Control – Single Channel of Wet or Dry, Progressive or Non-Progressive, Rich/Lean Safeties, and target Closed Loop AFR
-Integrated Datalogging to the 3.5” Handheld SD Card
-Free EFI Tuning Software
Plus my added observations:
-Holley wire wrap is nicer than the Chevrolet Performance convoluted plastic
-Aftermarket standalone TCU's are $500+ anyway
-Free software with base maps included for many combos, and no HP tuners credits to buy
-Not sure what you were comparing on the GM Plug & Play; DBW pedals are cheap, and the GM ones don't have a TCU for $1500.
Compared to the Chevrolet Performance kits this is a pretty nice alternative for someone wanting a little more expansion.
We use the Chevrolet Performance kits quite a lot, i'm not dogging on that with you.
Just providing another perspective for people since you obviously are on the OE-only bandwagon.
-Dale
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03-14-2019, 07:57 PM
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Yep, for 1500 Im in to get pwm fan control and ECU/TCU in one box that I don't need additional software or hardware to tune.
Sounds awesome.
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03-15-2019, 07:38 AM
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I was pretty excited to see this. It came out at the perfect time, I'm probably going to give it a shot in my Firebird in the next couple of months.
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03-15-2019, 08:05 AM
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I was pretty excited to see this. It came out at the perfect time, I'm probably going to give it a shot in my Firebird in the next couple of months.
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Yup, same here. I'm finally getting the LS2 in my Nova, so the timing is perfect.
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03-19-2019, 06:43 PM
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Yep, for 1500 Im in to get pwm fan control and ECU/TCU in one box that I don't need additional software or hardware to tune.
Sounds awesome.
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Exactly...I am eager to see the software. Should be available in a week or so.
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03-22-2019, 08:10 AM
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So does this replace the standard GM harness and ECU for an LS3 engine then? I'm going LS3 at the end of the year and the harnesses from GM performance are $1300...if this is $1K and has more, then I might go this route!
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