Originally Posted by nvr2fst (Post 252837)

X2 although I dont have a problem with exaggerating certain body lines but from a close distance it still needs to look like a camaro. When Razor first came out you needed to really look at what they did (outside of the typical deck lid stuff and hood mods going on today) They widened the quarters, enhanced all the body line creases including adding a couple here and there and the way a car gets painted can also enhance the true camaro lines. Another example would be the G force Cuda, every piece was modified but in the end it still looked like a cuda representing its heritage. Over the next couple of years I feel that this is going to be the next phase of building custom cars. When you start getting into the body modifications that are typically "non removal" you need to take in consideration the cost. It becomes at times overwhelming and if your the guinea pig for that "new got to have it look" mod to go into production like CF fenders, quarters, etc. in the long run the following consumers will get it at a lower cost. The more custom parts parts go into production the more the custom builders need to go out of the box to the point the car IMO may become hideous. Ive been dealing with this on my car since its been at Ironworks from day one. I havent had any bad feedback on the mods yet..... but if there our opinions I would love to hear them.

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Originally Posted by deuce_454 (Post 253048)

another thing.... Some asswipe walked up to me a while back and said my malibu didnt qualify as pro touring but was a joe-touring car....

now ive sunk big money in it.. it has full aftermarket suspension, global west LCA, SC&C UCA. GW springs, double adj Varishocks, delalums, 1-5/8 GW sway bar.. boxed frame, solid body mounts, Currie curectrac rear controll arms, Fays 2 watts link, moser rear bear 12 inch rear brakes, ATS spindles, 13 inch Touring classics front brakes, hydra-boost, Heads, intake and Cam LS1 engine.. twistmashine paddleshifter, full leather interior, recaro seats and forgeline 18 inch wheels, two tone paint, adjustable spoiler, front splitter....but being a 79 malibu somhow disqualified it as being a Pro Touring car...

so can someone please tell me what ive built then if it isnt pro touring.... do is really need to be a 1. gen f-body????? WTF!

Originally Posted by deuce_454 (Post 253048)

another thing.... Some asswipe walked up to me a while back and said my malibu didnt qualify as pro touring but was a joe-touring car....

now ive sunk big money in it.. it has full aftermarket suspension, global west LCA, SC&C UCA. GW springs, double adj Varishocks, delalums, 1-5/8 GW sway bar.. boxed frame, solid body mounts, Currie curectrac rear controll arms, Fays 2 watts link, moser rear bear 12 inch rear brakes, ATS spindles, 13 inch Touring classics front brakes, hydra-boost, Heads, intake and Cam LS1 engine.. twistmashine paddleshifter, full leather interior, recaro seats and forgeline 18 inch wheels, two tone paint, adjustable spoiler, front splitter....but being a 79 malibu somhow disqualified it as being a Pro Touring car...


so can someone please tell me what ive built then if it isnt pro touring.... do is really need to be a 1. gen f-body????? WTF!

Originally Posted by deuce_454 (Post 253045)

Im my oppinion it stops being a camaro when someone can say.. i built the frame for that thing.... i mean a schwartz full chassis camaro.. is a schwartz 2009 with a vintage camaro body on it...

so for me it looses its identity when major parts of the engineering gets replaced... things like the floor pan, subframe and bodylines need to be original...

widened fenders, minitubs etc is fine as ling as its modified camaro pieces, piecutting, sectioning, chopped roof or whatever kustomcar trick is played will IMHO change it from being a camaro.. to bearing the name of whoever built it...

Originally Posted by deuce_454 (Post 253048)

another thing.... Some asswipe walked up to me a while back and said my malibu didnt qualify as pro touring but was a joe-touring car....

now ive sunk big money in it.. it has full aftermarket suspension, global west LCA, SC&C UCA. GW springs, double adj Varishocks, delalums, 1-5/8 GW sway bar.. boxed frame, solid body mounts, Currie curectrac rear controll arms, Fays 2 watts link, moser rear bear 12 inch rear brakes, ATS spindles, 13 inch Touring classics front brakes, hydra-boost, Heads, intake and Cam LS1 engine.. twistmashine paddleshifter, full leather interior, recaro seats and forgeline 18 inch wheels, two tone paint, adjustable spoiler, front splitter....but being a 79 malibu somhow disqualified it as being a Pro Touring car...


so can someone please tell me what ive built then if it isnt pro touring.... do is really need to be a 1. gen f-body????? WTF!

Originally Posted by deuce_454 (Post 253048)

another thing.... Some asswipe walked up to me a while back and said my malibu didnt qualify as pro touring but was a joe-touring car....

now ive sunk big money in it.. it has full aftermarket suspension, global west LCA, SC&C UCA. GW springs, double adj Varishocks, delalums, 1-5/8 GW sway bar.. boxed frame, solid body mounts, Currie curectrac rear controll arms, Fays 2 watts link, moser rear bear 12 inch rear brakes, ATS spindles, 13 inch Touring classics front brakes, hydra-boost, Heads, intake and Cam LS1 engine.. twistmashine paddleshifter, full leather interior, recaro seats and forgeline 18 inch wheels, two tone paint, adjustable spoiler, front splitter....but being a 79 malibu somhow disqualified it as being a Pro Touring car...


so can someone please tell me what ive built then if it isnt pro touring.... do is really need to be a 1. gen f-body????? WTF!

Originally Posted by tyoneal (Post 253197)

"Nil Illigitum Carborundum".

Ty