Scott, here's a thought. Maybe your floor pan may have sagged over the years, if it's an original floor. My firebird has original floor pan, and the original crossmember will hit the floor on the pass side. A floor jack with a 2x4 underneath the sag fixed that.

It makes sense that you can't build parts for all applications, but it is highly likely that a DSE frame owner in a camaro is going to use an LS engine and a T56. That's what 99% of the owners here that autocross run. DSE has specific LS motor mounts, it make sense to have a crossmember especially when they know the stock one doesn't work. I know there are more 67-69 owners and that's likely the priority from a business perspective.


Hey Greg, slow down and not be so quick to bash. I was talking about DSE, I even pmd Carl about a possible purchase.....

I re-read your post several times before deciding to post what I did.... and it still reads to me that you'd called Chassisworks and gotten no help. This is the "communication" I was speaking about... maybe you're not being real clear in what you need and what you have. I'm actually trying to be HELPFUL to you. If we were in the same room it would be easier to discuss. Attitude etc doesn't come thru in typing.

I'll say this as well. On THIS website you'll get way more help when you're positive in your approach to vendors etc.

I know its impossible to make everyone happy all of the time but at least give them a hint.

http://gifrific.com/man-eating-out-o...ag-of-popcorn/

I think you're seeing what you want to see. If you and I were talking and having a conversation and I said "yeah, I called them too". Would you think I was talking "about" you? :thumbsup:

This thread is already out of control, but come on...you have not tried to help, but in the spirit of things I will ensure that my post can't be twisted and perceive to give the wrong message.

I'm seeing what he is seeing. And I guarantee we aren't the only ones.

You said "I picked up the phone and called them too"... and this is AFTER you made it clear that you already called DSE... so "too" means in addition to.

Like others have said, you should have known what did and didn't come with the "kit" when you spent that kind of money. You said yourself you've been playing with cars for 15 years so this ain't your first rodeo. You decided to do your research afterward apparently and come on here and grumble about DSE and their "woes"... one of the stand up players in this community.

It's all in the attitude... and tact. Take notice of how others who are helped (and give help) on this great forum have it and use it.

Gosh guys, can we all take a deep breath for a moment? I know we all love our cars and get frustrated, and we get frustrated when other people get frustrated. Even me, yes it's true. I put down the phone after a half hour of nonsense yesterday and badly needed a cigarette; and I don't smoke! The written word is a tricky way to communicate. There's a reason we are all car guys and not millionaire authors.

That said, thanks for jumping to the defense of the manufacturer. My experience is that the best source of info is the building where the part came from. On our parts, that's the building I sit in. Sometimes people phrase questions really weird and it takes a minute to get on the same page. (Refraining from writing a blog style post here.)

By the way, our clip packages don't automatically include a trans crossmember either. They are an available option. Why? Because we make six of them! They all require different amounts of material and labor to build, and as a result they all are priced slightly different.

Owning a muscle car:
:G-Dub:

Badazz(Dude, what's your real name?) and I are trying to resolve his issue. Hopefully I can help him out.

I agree Carl, So lets see if we can keep this thread from getting locked and get a fix going. A lot of good info here for those that might have questions.

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OK guys. I know I am working on a 1st gen DSE frame, but since it appears the crossmembers fit both (aside from less floor clearance in 2nd gen) I hope this helps a few guys. I put the G-force crossmember in today. It fits perfect- with room to spare. It just about falls in. Plenty of room between frame & floor on first gen. Plenty of header clearance, and I have a 3/4" shim under the trans mount. At worst, you may have to loosen the subframe bolts on one side on 2nd gen to slide one end in place. Tu- I had a full floor put in the car when I built it- but you are correct- I was able to coax a smidge of clearance for the speedtech crossmember. I could have left it in, but it was very tight.. I'll get some better pics tomorrow & update

Scott

Scott, looks great, thank you for posting the pictures. Are you using the DSE LS 1" set back mounts too?.

Originally I had them because I had a C6 oil pan, and stainless works headers. Since the DSE headers req'd set back mounts, I thought the SW would as well. I had everything back in the car, but the FAST 102 was against the firewall. I could have modded the firewall, but I had just welded up the uneeded holes & repainted it. The headers were about 1/8" from the toeboard on the driver's side, and the alt was about that close to the frame.(F body Acc) I switched mounts to stock location and went to F body oil pan. Everything fits well. Amazing how much difference 1" can make. I can just about slide my hand between the floor and the crossmember with the G-force.
Scott

That crossmember looks like it was built to tow the titanic.

For any future Inquires, the Speed Tech 67-69 adjustable Camaro crossmember as well as the Bowler Transmission crossmember do not fit. They physically bolt to the frame, just not enough set-back.

how could there be not enough set back? the AST has 4" of adjustment and works on the factory frame?
it should fit up in the floor recess on the body which corresponds to the trans location??? I do get that it is tight to the floor due to DSE raising the sub frame mount but the set back should be the same???

you have obviously tried it so I am not questioning that just questioning it?

It would really help if you gave way better information in your posts. Like DID YOU HAPPEN TO PURCHASE SET BACK MOUNTS for the motor?? And then did you expect a standard transmission crossmember to work with that?

There are no other options for the sec gen camaro DSE frame that I know of. You can't get stock position frame stands/adapters. Btw it was mentioned the ATS adjustable did work fysa.

The post could be more civilized, if you relaxed a little.

its the caps isn't it

Beyond me, what boggles me is why it has so much forward adjustment. If it's for a t56, you would never need to push it that much forward.

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Is that what is not fitting?

Loosen all the bolts to the mounts, crossmember to the frame
Then start all the bolts, then tighten them.

Not exactly, the crossmember' forward bolt hole is put in the center hole on the frame. I would need to drill holes in the frame, not quite ready for that.

Did this crossmember fit?

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Super close, closer than the ATS. I'm working with Bowler transmission to work that one.

If anything I'd redrill the holes you need in those ATS plates that you have. 1 hole on each side?

Are the frame plates identical?

Could they be swapped/reversed for a gain?

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Yeah, it's weird. I will have to snap side by side comparisons to the stock frame

Is this an LS engine install???

Yes sir, it is

Could it be that the engine mount adaptors --- assuming there are these being used -- are mounted incorrectly? There have been many threads on Lat G discussing this -- and it seems that mounting them "one way" versus the other sets the motor forward or back. This "might" explain the lack of fit at the tranny.... IDK. But it was worth asking.