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Vegas69 06-07-2013 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 485028)
Egg sack lee.....


If the wheel only turned enough that you never had to take your hands off the wheel -- it would be sweet... but in our street cars -- we're turning A LOT more than that... and there's only two ways to do this -- mount the paddles to the wheel -- and then they're out of position --- or mount to the column -- and then they're out of position.

With the shifter in the console -- and I'm talking paddle shift cars that also have the "automatic" style shifter in the console --- half the cars I've driven you push forward to downshift -- the other half you pull back to downshift... that just confuses the shift out of me! For me - I want to pull back to upshift -- and push to up downshift... but there doesn't seem to be any standard set. So I jump out of one of our cars - and into the other and I'm all messed up!

A stick comes so natural....


Sadly -- Our Audi R8 is the R Tronic trans -- not the new 2014 S Tronic dual clutch. It may get traded in for the new version for no other reason than that.
But even then I've read reviews that complain about slow speed downshifts being "harsh"....

The track at Inde Motorsports where I laid on the R8 had a couple real nasty 1st or 2nd gear corners --- and that's what happened to me -- you'd bang down a shift and BANG is exactly what you got -- damn near jolting the car into oversteer. Upshifts are EASY -- you'd be hard pressed to shift better when you're laying all over it... but downshifting is the "trouble" to me. Downshifting -- you're already busy... yarding off speed getting set for the turn in -- hammering shifts and double clutching and rev matching... looking around the corner for the exit etc -- paying attention to any slippage in the front grip or catching the rear.... I don't need the tranny giving me added things to hunt for.

My S4 has the s tronic dual clutchless and I always thought it was pretty cool. Never raced it.... For autocross, left foot braking, and down shifting, I still think it could be lethal. For real technical road courses and the average driver, I feel the same. But what do I know.... :action-smiley-027:

intocarss 06-07-2013 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 485042)
One word MANUAL!!!

LABOR???

BANKO 06-08-2013 02:48 AM

I enjoy driving my car so much more now that I put in a T56. With modern hydraulic clutch actuation, it drives like a new car. I love the feel of shifting and being able to control the RPMs. There is nothing better than rowing through the gears!

Rick D 06-08-2013 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 485080)
LABOR???

Nice Jer just saw this smart azz :smiley_smack: good catch! :action-smiley-027:

protour73 06-08-2013 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 484520)
For my transportation tools - automatic. (much easier to text and drive and do other things not associated with safe driving habits :D)

For special purpose vehicle - manual 6sp close ratio

A sequential 6sp box would be fun too!

Regarding the texting and driving, my kids first cars will be manual just for that reason.

OK Sieg, that definitely humored me!!


......and my choice: MANUAL

Rick D 06-08-2013 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by protour73 (Post 485120)
OK Sieg, that definitely humored me!!


......and my choice: MANUAL

Shouldn't you be in the garage finishing up that car of your??:poke:

Zspoiler 06-08-2013 11:29 PM

Automatic or manual ?
 
I prefer a automatic for a daily driver .(I drive truck for a living) Especially with our wonderful traffic these days.And a manual for my "toys" .You have more control. Well that`s me.

Steve Chryssos 06-10-2013 08:43 AM

It's always fun to watch these threads. The two transmission types get compared without looking at the actual requirements of the owner. For example: Pro-Touring cars are multi-purpose, right? But the conversation always short circuits directly to what works better on a road course. The loudest voice is usually the guy that doesn't understand the basic racecraft concept of opposite lock. But anyway, back to the example, multi-purpose vehicles, and the OP....

Do you like drag racing? The automatic will likely excel -- usually over more powerful 3 pedal cars. Shorter shift times, no power interrupt, and torque multiplication are awesome.

Will you be autocrossing? The automatic car will be just as good if not better. Why? Not a lot of shifting on most courses.

Will your car be used a daily driver? The playing field gets more level if you plan to drive your car frequently. I was in LA a coupla weeks back for a business trip and had a Nismo Z press car with three pedals. Great car, but miserable under the circumstances.

Do you have a lot of power? Many of our customers have big HP engines such as twin turbo applications and prefer to stay away from clutches in the interest of reliability and tractability.

Will you be doing a lot of track days? The automatic solution is not as effective as 3 pedals on a road course.

Are you entering the Formula One Championship with your Pro-Touring Car? The VERY FIRST THING we tell potential customers is that we only offer the best automatic transmission experience of your life -- not a substitute for a manual. Then we tell them that the paddle shifter is the least important part of the equation. Custom tuned billet torque converters are critical. Custom electronic calibration tunes are awesome. We work with specific transmission builders to minimize shift time, improve shift feel, and handle high rpm shifts and heat. Factory transmissions are calibrated for grandma. The long shift times are there to avoid scaring the average consumer.

A paddle shifter is just a fancy looking override switch for those circumstances when the driver is smarter than the computer. Unfortunately, most "expert" drivers use the switch at the wrong time, then blame the switch.

At the end of day, pick an automatic if you want and expect an automatic. just be sure to look at ALL of the parameters above -- not just road course functionality.

I love em both, but that wasn't an option on the poll.
/Steve

GregWeld 06-10-2013 12:43 PM

Excellent post Steve!


Spot on.

Steve Chryssos 06-10-2013 01:13 PM

Thanks!


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