Sweet! That things gonna be a blast to drive.

It will be together for a while with the old paint job first to get the bugs out. I still get lots of compliments on it, but it needs a few touch ups here and there.

I got something bad... whatever it is don't get it. It causes lots of sleepless nights. :lol:

Holycrap, first time seeing this build and I am in shock. That cage is amazing!!!! The engine is amazing, the front wheels and awsome, the rear flares are friggin cool!! I too vote for the space heaters and keeping at it!!

I have a few updates to share from the work being performed at Wicked Garage. The intercooler pipes are done. It may seem a little crazy but done this way for a purpose to be disclosed at a later date. ;)

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The tunnel is also modded to go around the 4l80.

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And the rad mounts are almost complete with just the caps to hold the top in place left.

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I should have some more pics over the next few weeks. Wicked Garage will be mounting the fuel cell shortly.

Good to see the updates on this car. She's going to be a beast!

Its looking good!

Oh...me, me ,me ...I know, I know....;)

The fuel cell has made its way into the car. All 45 gallons of it. These pics were taken by the installers, the good folks at Wicked Garage. There was no way to get it in except from the bottom.
If anyone wants a ride, they have to fill the tank. :lol:


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Vey Nice.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: 45 gal's @ $4.00 a gal.:willy: :willy:

So thats a yes? Who wants to fill it second? :lol:

To remove all that fuel on the other end is the spintech 5" exhaust squashed into an oval for ground clearance. Then, split into quad 3 1/2" and a few more things to come to make it quiet :rolleyes: on the street, and a no loss system when the hammer comes down.

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Car is looking Awesome

Got a question. How are you going to address the suspension set up? As that 45 gallon tank empty's the rear end of the car is going to get significantly lighter.

The only time I should need to fill the car will be if I run silver state. Otherwise the car can be set up the same as if it had a 22 gallon tank. That being said, I will definately have some hurdles to climb over and some bugs to work out when the car is done.

My rendering by Kris Horton. I liked it so much I gave it its own thread. :)

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Dont know how I missed this one. Always an innovating build from you :thumbsup:

AWESOME, TOTALLY AWESOME.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Holy crap!!!! Bad A$$

Jon

thats gonna look sooo amazing!

Glad you like it guys, I was worried here is where I get battered. lol

Looks great Steve. Is there much left on your build?

Its getting down there. I still need gears and brakes for the back, lots of plumbing and electrical, the hood and some paint. I may be able to get it running soon and some testing before the paint and hood part. I'll post some more updates soon. I'm just waiting for a few more things to get finished at Wicked Garage.

That muffler situation looks sweet. Anxious to hear that thing when it roars.

I'm glad you did. It is warranted! :thumbsup:

Gorgeous! Love the stance, color, and everything.

Congratulations on almost being there. 1200hp hmmm that will be a handful.:hail:

The car is awesome with a focus on function without sacrificing style. Very nicely done. :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

That rendering is wicked! Looking forward to seeing this car done...

Love this car and that its relatively local to me (Toronto). Did you ever think about going with fuel injection? EFI BBC's are just awesome.

Wicked!! Nice color combo!

Love the build, but damn that is a big fuel tank, Silver State is only 90 miles.

Back of the envelope calculation, and correct me anyone if I haven't had enough coffee this morning:

call it 800 hp required to go 200mph
estimate low on the BSFC = .3 lb fuel/hp-hr
means approximately 240 lb of fuel for an hour.
6 lbs per gallon = 40 gal for 1 hr @ 800hp
90 miles at 200mph = .375hr = 22.5 min
= approximately 15 gallons required to make 800 hp for 22.5 minutes.

Other way to look at it
NASCAR engines at 900hp get about 4-5 mpg at race speed, call it 190mph
So they would need about 22.5 gallons to go 90 miles at 4mpg.

I know you would rather have too much, than too little, but are my calculations off? Otherwise, I think that huge tank showing in the rear detracts from the look of the car. A 26-28 gallon tank would be much easier to hide.

Well I would pick out several flaws in your calculations. First, your starting point of 800hp to go 200mph. That would be for a specific car, every car would require a different amount of power to maintain those kinds of speeds. Just as an example a corvette may require 800 but a mack truck because of its frontal area and drag coefficient is going to require a lot more. Also, as you add downforce you add drag (the wing, diffuser, splitter) which will eat more fuel.
A 72 camaro is not a NASCAR. I couldn't possibly slip through the wind like a NASCAR does. They run a small block with a restrictor plate usually limitting hp on faster tracks which would aid in there fuel not to mention they draft off each other. They also run on the edge of what they think the motor can handle for that race as far as fuel mixture goes. My fuel mixture will be a safe air fuel mix that will allow my motor to live a while.
Blowers motors use more fuel than naturally aspirated motors do. Every fuel pump thats rated in HP needs a bigger pump on the same hp blower car.
Big Red and Polly Motorsports cars that have run Big Blocks in silver state etc both have more than 45 gallon fuel tanks.
Thats just the start. I could run more wing angle, add more boost etc etc.
As for the detracting from the look, the car was never meant to be a beauty queen, although it should turn out ok in the end. :cheers:

A corvette zr1 has 638 hp and will go a little over 200mph

Hot Rod magazine has run a 1980 camaro at land speed events, it has similar aerodynamics to yours with the exception of the wing. It went 246mph with a normally aspirated 572/720 GM big block crate motor, and 260 with a 150 shot of nitrous. It is admittedly a guess, but given the above knowns, even in your high drag configuration, you should reach 200 using only 800hp.

I picked 800hp because that seemed a conservative number for your car to reach 200. Your motor has been on the dyno, so you probably have the actual BSFC numbers for it. Those numbers will tell you how much fuel it uses at a particular HP number in 1 hour, ie BSFC units are lbs of fuel per hp-hr. Those numbers for just about any engine, NA, turbo or supercharged, are typically in the range of .3 to .5 .

It is therefore a relatively simple calculation to see how much fuel the engine will require over a known time period at a known HP output.

Fuel in gallons required = ((hp*BSFC)/(6lbs per gallon))*hours

I used .3 in the calculations by mistake, that would be on the lean side( I said I hadn't had enough coffee). Re-calculated using .5 the number would be approximately 25 gallons, which actually correlates much closer to the NASCAR numbers. There is certainly nothing wrong with carrying 45 gallons of gas in an unlimited class, it eliminates one more thing to worry about on race day. I was just trying to point out that if you needed extra room, you could squeeze some out of the tanks real estate.

The car looks great BTW. I am glad to see it being built with such a capable cage and attention to safety detail.

I am aware of the ZR1's top speed and its HP. My example wasn't specific to it, just as a general comparison.
The camaro in Hot rod magazine that your speaking of has had extensive wind tunnel testing and has a drag coefficient around .21 if memory serves. His camaro was built specificly for land speed racing. It is no way close to my camaro or probably anybody elses of that vintage, and is even well under the drag of a new corvette. I have spoken with the owner on a couple occasions. A stock camaro of my vintage can be up to almost double the drag of keiths Camaro although it may not look it. Although mine is not stock, it is not close to Keiths either. My car is also not as aerodynamic as a NASCAR so neither is a viable comparison.
BSFC's are only taken usually on the dyno under wide open conditions and are often over .5 to the .6 range on High power big block blower and turbo cars.
That being said, I would rather be proven wrong and have fuel left than be right and run out 2/3 of the way. The 45 gallon stays. lol

The H.R. camaro is more areodynamic than yours, but it has the same frontal area so the comparison is probably closer than you think. It so happens that this turns out to be an interesting comparison in another way. Because HP requirements change as the cube of velocity, and drag changes as the square, your numbers may actually prove something. The HR camaro does 246mph, with a .21Cd (your number). After going through the equations, it takes almost the exact same power to push your car to a slower 200mph with a Cd of double, ie .42, also your number.

Interesting huh? The actual numbers came out as
[email protected] = [email protected], given the same HP numbers

So, it stands to reason that your car will reach 200 with approximately the same HP as a 572GM crate engine. I think I remember tests putting it about 800 at the crank.

BSFC numbers are fuel flow, you can get pretty close using them.

I wasn't debating the approx HP to get to 200mph, just stating its a random # in your first post. Keiths camaro had 5 miles to get to that speed (going by memory again but I'm sure this was a salt flat #), I plan on hitting over 200 in less than a mile (and yes I know keith has done this as well). The comparison is still flawed because of rate of acceleration is using over 800hp. At every corner the acceleration can be more than 800 hp. I have allready done all these calculations in 100 different ways ages ago. All the formulas you are using have been pinned up in my garage for years I just wasn't going to redo my calculations based on this discussion, not knowing from the beginning I would have to prove myself. You must have a lot of time on your hands. lol
Probably a better discussion elsewhere, this is still a build thread. :cheers:
P.S. I know what BSFC numbers are and I'm still keeping the 45 gallon cell :morepower

Sorry for the thread hijack, big square tanks hanging below rear pan are just a pet peeve of mine.

Back to the build. :thumbsup:

My latest big part to arrive and keep me bottoms down. Scott Good at GoodAero has been one of the best people to deal with answering all my crazy questions and getting back to me right away even when I told him I wasn't purchasing for a while. I think I've been in touch with him since last year.
This is my first real carbon fibre part. Its almost ubelievable that the whole thing only weighs a little over 5lbs and can handle all that pressure. Keeping the wing level (front and back highest points) it will generate about 6-700lbs down on the back end, and less than 50lbs of drag. More obviously if it gets angled down at the front.

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Yes ! 1200hp is not even pushing this motor setup. If the owner so chooses he can turn up the wick which will require a lot more fuel.

Love what you're doing with the aero, especially the hood extraction. (and now the engine plumbing makes sense too :thumbsup:) Looking forward to more!