Go easy guys, he's just misunderstood...:lol:

Rebelceb, I've got some more unwanted opinions for you. Go back to the first page and reread what everyone has wrote....I did and didn't see anything offensive or belittling toward you from anyone. I found a lot of great information from guys that have been down this road before. Its a forum man, topics tend to get off track from the original question(s), information is given and generally it circles back on track...Calling people out about what they do in their free time isn't necessary, neither is making an assumption that a bunch of "friends" bow down to each other...that'll get you nowhere fast.

My last .02, PM or call around to more shops with your scope of work and see what they say, get a bit more educated on what you're trying to get done.

You will eventually find a shop that will agree with you and tell you what you wan t to hear. It's called the bait and switch. You will end up with a much larger bill or you will end up with a botched up car that will need redone. I've seen it over and over around here..

Set a budget and let the shops know what it is. Then they can tell you what you can afford. That's really the best way. You get a few perspectives on your budget and go with who you feel most comfortable with.

Everything takes way longer than you think and it doesn't fit right. That means more labor, more freight, more creep, and a bigger bill.

While my friends here have little grace, they are right to a degree. The truth will be determined by your cars current quality and your expectations. Nobody can give you an accurate number. It's an educated guess. There is only one way to find out, do the dance and build the car.

Thank You to all of the responses to this thread. Thus is all if the conversations that should be had before any project that should be started.

This is also the reason my car gas been apart as a bare Shell for 8 years. I recently bought a heat gun to scrape out body sealer. I know it should be done before blasting and I am not willing to pay for it.

I've been a longtime lurker here too, All I have to say is...Greg is a riot all fired up.....and Todd is getting soft in his old age. Who's with me?

I don't think Greg's fired up yet, he's just been passionate about his recommendation. Similar to his passion for sharing investing knowledge. I know I can't afford budget overruns on my pro-tour project, since they're a fact of life, I do the work myself whenever possible.

I know my bowl of popcorn is getting low, ran out of beer. Everyone hold on I got to get refills to continue watching this.

Refined, buddy...:D :D

OK so I'm ready to go

Here is maybe a perfect example on a smaller scale . I'm a fabricator. I built myself a rotisserie from plans drawn by redwingsteelworks. I happened to mention to my engine builder that I was surprised his shop didn't have one for the resto-mod they do . One thing leads to another and we're discussing me making another but for him. I went thru the cut list got my boss to quote me a price knowing that this is for him. I presented it to him and his questions were why is it more thrn what you said yours cost . The devil is in the details. Eg when I built mine I took the time also a Lil OCD about some stuff . I made sure that the seams of the tunes were all facing the same direction from piece to piece, all of the jam nuts are aligned and welded the same, all the holes were countersunk to break the edge, all the tunes were de-burred inside and out so there are no sharp edges anywhere , I chipped and ground off any and all splatter and, then everything was blasted ,primed and, painted . Now back to the engine guy ... he wanted his to look like mine but didn't know how much extra time all this would game. He's now getting a rotisserie bare steel , not blasted, not chipped and cleaned , but is getting a lot of the other details done .

Does any of this make sense , yes other shops can toss parts together but if you don't watch the details that's what can make the job go sideways real fast.

As for Greg Weld, never met the guy ....probably never will , has a nice house and shop and such, seems like he'd be cool to have a few beers with and tell stories about things we've never done with cars we will never own or women we've never met. IF I did meet him and he turns out to be a a**hole then fine.... But don't think for A second that I'm going to blow any smoke up his arse or any one else's. 20$ in your pocket Is worth the same in mine ... if I eat too man tacos and get the sh**s well I'm thinking you get the idea . We're all the same .

Attached are 2 pictures where you can see some of the details I mentioned from my rotisserie..... OK so I guess I have to resize the pictures I will try to do that and upload them later

Donny --- He knows that it's just "some welding" (his post #55 in this thread) -- and wiring and running brake lines - but mostly it's all bolt ons....

He's not clueless and has deep pockets. We know that, because he said so on the Internet. Just for good measure - the shop he respects is also clueless on what it takes to do the job. The reason he knows this is because someone he talked to said so! Despite the advice of people that are intimately familiar with the work saying it will cost more than the initial bid "guesstimate"... He will no doubt continue to search until he finds a shop willing to bid the job for what he thinks it should be. We all know the outcome already. Then maybe his ego will allow him to come back and get in line with all the other ass kissers on here.:G-Dub: :popcorn2:


In summation - He came here as a new poster - asked advice - got it - didn't like it - so then everyone on here is an idiot, and misunderstands him. He's really a super knowledgeable individual with a sh!t load of money and has decades of experience in the hot rodding world... any and all advice is duly noted, and immediately discarded as an attack on him personally. There's no need for further discussion in an attempt to understand the advice offered. No attempt to understand the pitfalls of the work he'd like to have done despite the zillions of examples in this very forum. His is different.

:popcorn2: well im back to the beer and popcorn ...for some reason my blackberry priv takes too good of pictures lol it has a 18 mp camera and im too dumb to resize them . if it really matter i could dig up the canon and see about resizing pictures on it but , its also a 18 mp camera .

So Greg about those beers .....think you could keep up with good old Canadian boy , we know how to drink .....