Originally Posted by raustinss (Post 635527)

:popcorn2: well im back to the beer and popcorn ...for some reason my blackberry priv takes too good of pictures lol it has a 18 mp camera and im too dumb to resize them . if it really matter i could dig up the canon and see about resizing pictures on it but , its also a 18 mp camera .

So Greg about those beers .....think you could keep up with good old Canadian boy , we know how to drink .....

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 635528)

I'll match your beers one for one - with a Tonic..... I haven't had a drink in 31 years - 32 this May.

Originally Posted by raustinss (Post 635517)

I know my bowl of popcorn is getting low, ran out of beer. Everyone hold on I got to get refills to continue watching this.

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 635526)

Donny --- He knows that it's just "some welding" (his post #55 in this thread) -- and wiring and running brake lines - but mostly it's all bolt ons.... What exactly would you describe it as? There is welding involved (a good bit actually) and a lot of bolt on stuff among other things. There's nothing truly "custom" about anything I am wanting outside of the variances of my car being different than the next car. We aren't reinventing the wheel here, nor are we trying to build a SEMA car.

He's not clueless and has deep pockets. We know that, because he said so on the Internet. Just for good measure - the shop he respects is also clueless on what it takes to do the job. The reason he knows this is because someone he talked to said so! Despite the advice of people that are intimately familiar with the work saying it will cost more than the initial bid "guesstimate"... He will no doubt continue to search until he finds a shop willing to bid the job for what he thinks it should be. We all know the outcome already. Then maybe his ego will allow him to come back and get in line with all the other ass kissers on here.:G-Dub: :popcorn2: No one said I had deep pockets. If I had an endless supply of cash I wouldn't give a **** what it cost and wouldn't care if it was wasteful. There you go putting words in my mouth again, because you are the all knowing dicksucker around here. I said, you don't know what I can afford or not afford.

I also didn't say the shop was clueless. I said they gave me an estimation based on another project that they did more work on and think it will be less. I asked if anything had an idea how much less before I go back to the shop and ask them to nail it down a bit closer and/or give me a breakdown. The reasonable people that have reached out to me have all said the shop I mentioned to them should be able to nail it down closer once we have further discussion about them doing the build and all have said they then understood why I said the shop was reputable. Because they are.

For what it's worth, the people that I have heard from that are "intimately familiar" with the work (two of them being DSE dealers) say the work should be far less than the 668 hour estimation. Three have said independently, 350-400 hours, and one saying 400-500 hours. They all have said that they are happy to help however they can, up to and including doing the work, but all have encouraged me to continue the process with the builder I have already been talking to and gave me pointers on how to get him to narrow the bid down and give actual estimates for each part vs a bulk guess at the sum of hours.


In summation - He came here as a new poster - asked advice - got it - didn't like it - so then everyone on here is an idiot, and misunderstands him. He's really a super knowledgeable individual with a sh!t load of money and has decades of experience in the hot rodding world... any and all advice is duly noted, and immediately discarded as an attack on him personally. There's no need for further discussion in an attempt to understand the advice offered. No attempt to understand the pitfalls of the work he'd like to have done despite the zillions of examples in this very forum. His is different.

I did get advice. Some good, and some that was nothing more than an attempt to belittle my questions and thump your chest. Not everyone is an idiot, not by any stretch. I have talked to some guys via PM and some via phone that have even commented in this thread. All have offered their help anyway they can, even though they know the won't be getting the work because of their own time schedule or due to geographic reasons. I never claimed to have decades of experience, or a **** load of money. The only personal attacks I have received are from you. You are correct, no further discussion needed from you because you add absolutely zero value to the discussion. I don't give a **** who you or your minions think you are or what you think you know or how many cars you have built or how much dicksucking goes on in your shop.

Originally Posted by RLJ676 (Post 635562)

I did a pretty similar project and ended up at 300 hours only after many things went wrong and took re-doing... which is to be expected I'm sure. You're looking to do more though, including more wiring, quadralink and mini-tubs so I'd think under 500 is possible if everything is done "functional" and not showcar as you describe, and as mine was done. Which by the way I still love, and the shop that did it seemed to like it too as it's a car to be driven, not just to a show! Hell, I put real plates on it not historic as I drive it to work lol.

Here's what I had done for 300 hours, all on a nice driver like yours so no bodywork.

- LSA/TKO install w/ all plumbing, radiators, etc. (from a 3 spd auto/sbc)
- New brake lines/gas lines, fuel tank, etc, master cylinder
- Subframe connectors (not DSE so less hours)
- New rearend, leafs, etc.
- Custom mount 4th gen rear brakes
- re-wiring behind dash.
- Install 5th gen center console
- and I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff

I honestly think at least 50 hours were redoing stuff because vendors sent wrong crap, like a clutch spaced for a 6 spd, and headers that don't clear etc.

If you're still looking for shops call Matt at Sled Alley, great guys and they know first gens up and down. Worth shipping it up...

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 635607)

I'm only going to post this last response -- because my original intent was an effort to help you understand - even though you're misunderstood.

"Bolts ons" - "some welding" - wiring - plumbing is NOT what will overrun the project... What we've been trying to point you to beware of - is that when you open the car up - many times cars that appear to be wonderfully built - you can find all manor of hidden issues with the body. So while the sub may be easy to bolt to the body -- it's another issue entirely when they pull back the carpets and find rot.

Please have the balls to come back here (you've made so many new friends) and let us know how it all works out for you.