Scott, here's a thought. Maybe your floor pan may have sagged over the years, if it's an original floor. My firebird has original floor pan, and the original crossmember will hit the floor on the pass side. A floor jack with a 2x4 underneath the sag fixed that.

It makes sense that you can't build parts for all applications, but it is highly likely that a DSE frame owner in a camaro is going to use an LS engine and a T56. That's what 99% of the owners here that autocross run. DSE has specific LS motor mounts, it make sense to have a crossmember especially when they know the stock one doesn't work. I know there are more 67-69 owners and that's likely the priority from a business perspective.


Hey Greg, slow down and not be so quick to bash. I was talking about DSE, I even pmd Carl about a possible purchase.....

I re-read your post several times before deciding to post what I did.... and it still reads to me that you'd called Chassisworks and gotten no help. This is the "communication" I was speaking about... maybe you're not being real clear in what you need and what you have. I'm actually trying to be HELPFUL to you. If we were in the same room it would be easier to discuss. Attitude etc doesn't come thru in typing.

I'll say this as well. On THIS website you'll get way more help when you're positive in your approach to vendors etc.

I know its impossible to make everyone happy all of the time but at least give them a hint.

http://gifrific.com/man-eating-out-o...ag-of-popcorn/

I think you're seeing what you want to see. If you and I were talking and having a conversation and I said "yeah, I called them too". Would you think I was talking "about" you? :thumbsup:

This thread is already out of control, but come on...you have not tried to help, but in the spirit of things I will ensure that my post can't be twisted and perceive to give the wrong message.

I'm seeing what he is seeing. And I guarantee we aren't the only ones.

You said "I picked up the phone and called them too"... and this is AFTER you made it clear that you already called DSE... so "too" means in addition to.

Like others have said, you should have known what did and didn't come with the "kit" when you spent that kind of money. You said yourself you've been playing with cars for 15 years so this ain't your first rodeo. You decided to do your research afterward apparently and come on here and grumble about DSE and their "woes"... one of the stand up players in this community.

It's all in the attitude... and tact. Take notice of how others who are helped (and give help) on this great forum have it and use it.

Gosh guys, can we all take a deep breath for a moment? I know we all love our cars and get frustrated, and we get frustrated when other people get frustrated. Even me, yes it's true. I put down the phone after a half hour of nonsense yesterday and badly needed a cigarette; and I don't smoke! The written word is a tricky way to communicate. There's a reason we are all car guys and not millionaire authors.

That said, thanks for jumping to the defense of the manufacturer. My experience is that the best source of info is the building where the part came from. On our parts, that's the building I sit in. Sometimes people phrase questions really weird and it takes a minute to get on the same page. (Refraining from writing a blog style post here.)

By the way, our clip packages don't automatically include a trans crossmember either. They are an available option. Why? Because we make six of them! They all require different amounts of material and labor to build, and as a result they all are priced slightly different.

Owning a muscle car:
:G-Dub:

Badazz(Dude, what's your real name?) and I are trying to resolve his issue. Hopefully I can help him out.

I agree Carl, So lets see if we can keep this thread from getting locked and get a fix going. A lot of good info here for those that might have questions.

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OK guys. I know I am working on a 1st gen DSE frame, but since it appears the crossmembers fit both (aside from less floor clearance in 2nd gen) I hope this helps a few guys. I put the G-force crossmember in today. It fits perfect- with room to spare. It just about falls in. Plenty of room between frame & floor on first gen. Plenty of header clearance, and I have a 3/4" shim under the trans mount. At worst, you may have to loosen the subframe bolts on one side on 2nd gen to slide one end in place. Tu- I had a full floor put in the car when I built it- but you are correct- I was able to coax a smidge of clearance for the speedtech crossmember. I could have left it in, but it was very tight.. I'll get some better pics tomorrow & update

Scott

Scott, looks great, thank you for posting the pictures. Are you using the DSE LS 1" set back mounts too?.