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Cris@JCG 11-23-2009 07:37 PM

Fat Bottom Camaros
 
Lately I have been widen Camaros to give them a more aggressive look & tire room for bigger tires without mini-tubing, we are able to pull about 2 inches per side.. Going back to Trans Am days of flaring.. We have done this on67,68,69 & 70's Camaros.. Each have been different processes but are narrowing it down to what you see in the pics..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/PC300018.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010026.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010027.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010030.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010029.jpg

XcYZ 11-23-2009 07:45 PM

Now that is cool. I'd like to see more pics as it comes together.

gearheads78 11-23-2009 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XcYZ (Post 249847)
Now that is cool. I'd like to see more pics as it comes together.

x2 looks great

Joejaze 11-23-2009 07:48 PM

Looks hot!

Just curious, how much labor/time is involved with this?

70rs 11-23-2009 07:51 PM

You mentioned having done it to a 70. Do you have any pictures of that?

Cris@JCG 11-23-2009 07:56 PM

It is hard to estmate cause each job is different.. But are about 25 hrs on the side you see here on the 67..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joejaze (Post 249851)
Looks hot!

Just curious, how much labor/time is involved with this?


Steve1968LS2 11-23-2009 08:02 PM

I can't wait to see the Track Rat all done.. We did the backs different from the above but it has a really good look. The big moment will be when there's tires and it's slammed on the ground.

We also stretched the fronts one inch..

JCG does some crazy good metal fabrication work (and they make some killer billet stuff)

Thanks Cris...

Cris@JCG 11-23-2009 08:02 PM

We did this on my 70 Z28! The second gen is has proven to be a challenge cause the door opening is very close to the wheel opening & it causes the lines to pull up.. On my 70 we have it pulled 1 inch on one side & 2 inches on the other side.. We were able to fit a 335 with the 2 inch pull :D Post pics tomorrow!

Quote:

Originally Posted by 70rs (Post 249853)
You mentioned having done it to a 70. Do you have any pictures of that?


Kendall Burleson 11-23-2009 08:20 PM

Randy Clark( hot rod and custom stuff) did a firebird the same way killer job.:bow: :bow:

Cris@JCG 11-23-2009 08:20 PM

Thanks for the compliments Steve & the opportunity to do this to the Track Rat! Lets just make sure we get a case of beer for Dick @ Best of Show when he gets the car back & has to do the body work again :_paranoid

I cant wait to see the car painted & assembled!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 249859)
I can't wait to see the Track Rat all done.. We did the backs different from the above but it has a really good look. The big moment will be when there's tires and it's slammed on the ground.

We also stretched the fronts one inch..

JCG does some crazy good metal fabrication work (and they make some killer billet stuff)

Thanks Cris...


70rs 11-23-2009 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 249860)
We did this on my 70 Z28! The second gen is has proven to be a challenge cause the door opening is very close to the wheel opening & it causes the lines to pull up.. On my 70 we have it pulled 1 inch on one side & 2 inches on the other side.. We were able to fit a 335 with the 2 inch pull :D Post pics tomorrow!

Thanks. I am looking forward to seeing it.:cheers:

Cris@JCG 11-23-2009 08:25 PM

Yes they did! I knew we could do it also but theirs also opens up on the bottom..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendall Burleson (Post 249871)
Randy Clark( hot rod and custom stuff) did a firebird the same way killer job.:bow: :bow:


srh3trinity 11-23-2009 08:41 PM

Mini-tubs have their place and keep the car clean looking, but this gives the car a little more muscle and visual interest. Well done, I want to see a Bandit era Trans Am stretched with 335's.

6D9 11-23-2009 11:15 PM

I love the look. I wish I could have done that to mine......

tones2SS 11-24-2009 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XcYZ (Post 249847)
Now that is cool. I'd like to see more pics as it comes together.

I agree with Scott here Chris.
Looks very interesting. Would love to see a completed picture. I'm sure it looks great.:thumbsup: :cheers:

MaxHarvard 11-24-2009 06:41 AM

Awesome! I've always wanted to do this!

Rybar 11-24-2009 08:31 AM

Nice work, please keep us updated on these builds. I'd love to see how they come out.

Cris@JCG 11-24-2009 11:01 AM

67 inner well
 
Here is what the inner wells look like!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010043.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010044.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010047.jpg

Cris@JCG 11-24-2009 11:09 AM

70 Camaro Stretch
 
This is what it looks like when we stretch a 70.. The body line towards the door can be a challenge!

2 inch on pass side

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...P1010039-1.jpg
http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010040.jpg

1 inch on driver side

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010042.jpg
http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010041.jpg

Cris@JCG 11-24-2009 11:13 AM

Camaro Performers Track Rat
 
Here is the Track Rat! Their will be a tech story on this in the January issue!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010034.jpg

rogue 11-24-2009 11:30 AM

Love it.

We're going to be doing this to the extreme on my car when I finally get it in the shop for bodywork. Have you guys calculated wheel sizes with the wider fenders? It'd be amazing to fit a 315 up front and a 335 out back. :lol:

Then I'm thinking vinyl wrap for a few years until I commit to paint and get bored with tracking the car.

Cris@JCG 11-24-2009 11:59 AM

This is what a 69 looks like with a 2 inch stretch & mini tub with no frame notching on 345 30 19's... We have not done this yet to a 69s front fenders on any of the cars here @ the shop.. You wanna be the first!?!??! I have two project 69's that I will sell one of them.. you can pick one & we get started & keep enjoy open tracking the one you have now!!:unibrow:

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010056.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010055.jpg


Quote:

Originally Posted by rogue (Post 249991)
Love it.

We're going to be doing this to the extreme on my car when I finally get it in the shop for bodywork. Have you guys calculated wheel sizes with the wider fenders? It'd be amazing to fit a 315 up front and a 335 out back. :lol:

Then I'm thinking vinyl wrap for a few years until I commit to paint and get bored with tracking the car.


phillym5 11-24-2009 01:02 PM

Thats flat out sick right there! I like that a lot.:thumbsup:

tones2SS 11-24-2009 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 249996)
This is what a 69 looks like with a 2 inch stretch & mini tub with no frame notching on 345 30 19's... We have not done this yet to a 69s front fenders on any of the cars here @ the shop.. You wanna be the first!?!??! I have two project 69's that I will sell one of them.. you can pick one & we get started & keep enjoy open tracking the one you have now!!:unibrow:

GREAT JOB! I like it. Looks killer.:thumbsup: :cheers:
Please post pics when car is complete and in paint as well!

96z28ss 11-24-2009 03:57 PM

the rear quarters on a 69 already bulge out some from factory I can't imagine another 2 inches without doing the same to the front to keep it looking proportional. Do you have a shot of what it looks like from the front looking back?

What does it do the the rear bumper fitting? also what does it to the rear spoiler fitting? On the 70 camaro it has to effect the 3 piece spoiler.

awr68 11-24-2009 04:32 PM

What would this do to the handeling of the car if you don't widen the front track as well?

J-440 11-24-2009 05:34 PM

This reminds me of the wide bodykits out there mostly for the ricer boys. Now looking at the above fabrication pics, you guys go all out with the fab/bodywork...which I'm loving by the way. But these other kids on the streets, do they just tack the fender flares on, cut the stock lip out and slap on some wider tires, kind of like a rush hack job? Just wondering b/c some of these "tuner" boys have fake turbos, coffee can exhaust tips, big wings, and the best one of all...the turbo whistle emanating from the exhaust tip from a kit they bought on E-bay for that turbo sound. Beautiful rides by the way.

Steve1968LS2 11-24-2009 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awr68 (Post 250052)
What would this do to the handeling of the car if you don't widen the front track as well?

Well, it wouldn't do anything. In theory you would have some improvement in handling if the wheels were extended out to take advantage of the stretch (giving a wider wheelbase).

In other words you would want to do your wheels, especially the rear, to fit within your stretched panels.

Cris@JCG 11-24-2009 05:37 PM

The 69 lines in my opinion are the best of the first gen Camaro.. they have bulge to them that makes them stand apart.. I wanted to stretch the front fenders but the customer liked it with only a rear stretch.. Here is a pic I have of the front view..

The bumper bolted right up.. Have not installed a spolier yet but I think we should not any problems.. It is hard to explain how the rear of the qtr & upper did not move much when we stretched the qtrs.. on 67 & 68 we have had to cut the bumper to fit but I think we found a way to keep from doing that modification.. have not moved further than what you see in the pics for 70's so I can't tell what it will do to a 3 pcs spoiler

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010052.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010050.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by 96z28ss (Post 250042)
the rear quarters on a 69 already bulge out some from factory I can't imagine another 2 inches without doing the same to the front to keep it looking proportional. Do you have a shot of what it looks like from the front looking back?

What does it do the the rear bumper fitting? also what does it to the rear spoiler fitting? On the 70 camaro it has to effect the 3 piece spoiler.


Cris@JCG 11-24-2009 05:54 PM

Thanks Steve!

Lets use a C6 Z06 Corvette as an example.. 325 30 19 in the rear & 275 35 18 if I remember correctly in the front
C6 Z51 285 35 19 in the rear & 245 40 18 in the front

Pretty much same chassis platiform(cant find spell check) except the Z06 has the flares with additional suspension upgrades & brakes & yadada

Wider is better!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 250080)
Well, it wouldn't do anything. In theory you would have some improvement in handling if the wheels were extended out to take advantage of the stretch (giving a wider wheelbase).

In other words you would want to do your wheels, especially the rear, to fit within your stretched panels.


awr68 11-24-2009 06:10 PM

I understand and agree that wider is better...but I always thought/understood that the front and rear tracks had to match for optimum handeling/drivability. Or the front should actually be a bit wider than the rear....like on a GM truck. I obviously have no idea! :lol:

Great work BTW!!

syborg tt 11-24-2009 08:26 PM

You guys do some incredible work.

At Sema there was a 2nd gen Camaro that did a stretch but it circled around the wheel opening.

The tire was a 315 with plenty of room to go bigger ( 2" added )

man i love this concept

http://www.garagescene.net/gallery2/...5+Sema+411.JPG

http://www.garagescene.net/gallery2/...5+Sema+413.JPG

http://www.garagescene.net/gallery2/...5+Sema+414.JPG

http://www.garagescene.net/gallery2/...5+Sema+415.JPG

http://www.garagescene.net/gallery2/...5+Sema+416.JPG

sorry had to post a pic of the motor

http://www.garagescene.net/gallery2/...5+Sema+417.JPG

Vegas69 11-24-2009 08:32 PM

Not feeling the street rod stance. I dig it but only on both ends of the car.

nvr2fst 11-24-2009 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 250087)
Thanks Steve!

Lets use a C6 Z06 Corvette as an example.. 325 30 19 in the rear & 275 35 18 if I remember correctly in the front
C6 Z51 285 35 19 in the rear & 245 40 18 in the front

Pretty much same chassis platiform(cant find spell check) except the Z06 has the flares with additional suspension upgrades & brakes & yadada

Wider is better!

Im all for this mod, too bad you couldnt have talked the customer into doing the front as well IMO it would balance out better. For those of you that are questioning the rear stretch, Go back and look at the Razor the Ring boys did, must of you probably didnt know the rear quarters were stretched I believe 1 1/2" but the average guy would never have picked it up.
Thumbs up on this one!

The difference between the ZO6 widened rear fender and that of a base model c6 is for the wider tires only which was necessary for pushing the increased engine power on the LS7 according to GM, all suspension upgrades still remain the same width as the base model.

Cris@JCG 11-24-2009 10:17 PM

I tried to get the front stretch with bigger tires on the front but he wouldn't .. Maybe the next 69.. I will have to pay more attention to the Razor next time I see it..

Thank you for the compliments!



Quote:

Originally Posted by nvr2fst (Post 250158)
Im all for this mod, too bad you couldnt have talked the customer into doing the front as well IMO it would balance out better. For those of you that are questioning the rear stretch, Go back and look at the Razor the Ring boys did, must of you probably didnt know the rear quarters were stretched I believe 1 1/2" but the average guy would never have picked it up.
Thumbs up on this one!

The difference between the ZO6 widened rear fender and that of a base model c6 is for the wider tires only which was necessary for pushing the increased engine power on the LS7 according to GM, all suspension upgrades still remain the same width as the base model.


customcam 11-24-2009 10:45 PM

that White 2nd gen is nice

Street Rod stance?? I cant see it

syborg tt 11-25-2009 05:06 AM

Gonzo,

On my little s10 project we widened the fenders a little different. First we removed the inner / outer fender from the bed side. Then I took the handy fender roller and spent about 2 hours slowly stretching the bed side out 1.5" to gain the need tire clearence.

I would love to send you the fender lip roller if you wanted to try this on a older muscle car that has real sheet metal if you are interested.

70rs 11-25-2009 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 249986)
This is what it looks like when we stretch a 70.. The body line towards the door can be a challenge!

2 inch on pass side

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...P1010039-1.jpg
http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010040.jpg

1 inch on driver side

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010042.jpg
http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/P1010041.jpg


I like the 2 inch version. But I agree with some others that doing the fron at the same time would help balance it out.
Thanks for posting the pics.:cheers:

tgvettes 11-25-2009 09:28 AM

On the old trans am cars didn't they actually stretch the fenders out?
Any one know?

Tonny

Cris@JCG 11-25-2009 07:30 PM

I would not mine trying this tool out :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by syborg tt (Post 250185)
Gonzo,

On my little s10 project we widened the fenders a little different. First we removed the inner / outer fender from the bed side. Then I took the handy fender roller and spent about 2 hours slowly stretching the bed side out 1.5" to gain the need tire clearence.

I would love to send you the fender lip roller if you wanted to try this on a older muscle car that has real sheet metal if you are interested.



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