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My Camaro "70" LS3+T56 Track & Drifting, Lot of pics and vids
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Hi, found this forum recently, or someone in nastyz28 adviced to ask about something from here. Let me introduce my project(s) and what have i done so far. Gues little different what you guys have used to but bare with me. First one is 1978 Camaro, i have driven Drifting at pretty serious level for five years now, allways with vintage cars (european) but decided that i want something different. From cars and about driving itself. I did Camaro that way that i can drive also track races in Historic Race Finland series called Roadsport V8, car was originally builted to that class and i did rather minor modifications it to use it at Drifiting, so itīs easy to convert between races. More info about Roadsport series -> http://www.historicrace.fi/indexe.htm I did drove only Drift season last summer, car was still little uncomplete and didnīt want to rush things. Video footage from last Drifting season. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uifl8TzdMYg So at first "Project 2010" This is how it was when i bought the car. http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=3753;image Specs Engine: -LS3 from GMPP -Tatech engine management, no MAF. http://www.tatech.fi/index.php -Lunati voodoo 65602 Cam, 227 / 238deg 0.50" lift. max 0.583 / 0.600" -Lunati Gold Patriot double spring set -Pacesetter 1 3/4" longtube headers -3" dual exhaust, separate. 475whp / 660nm torque. Drivetrain: -Cluthmasters FX500 Clutch and their flywheel - Tremec T56 from -98 f-body, will prep during winters with some goodies -Original rearaxle with 3.72 ratio, posi diff and c-clip eliminators. Body: -Converted to looklike 70-73 -Fiberglass Front end, hood, doors, trunklid, bumbers -Full cage, including g-braces extending to cage -Fully stripped, seamwelded -Subframe connectors -Lexan windows except front screen. Car weights 1305kg = 2870lb with full tank and w/o driver. Weight ratio is 50.5 / 49.5% with driver. Front suspension: -Some stiffer lowering springs? -Bilstein Shocks -Some stiffer sway bar? -Bushings are polyurethane in lower arm and sway bar, and metal in upper arm. -81 Z28 steering box and steering arms (spindle) are about 1.5" shorter and turned towards wheel to gain more steerin lock and eliminate ackerman. -Wilwood superlite brake calibers with corvette 12" discs -17x8 AR TT2 wheels ET0 with 1" spacers, Tyres Toyo Proxes R888 235/45-17 Rear: -Leaf springs, some stiffer ones with iron bushings -Rear sway bar -Panhard bar -S14 Nissans Coil-overs instead of shocks, with 50kg/cm springs. -Wilwood dynalite brake calibers with corvette 12" discs -18" wheels, lot of options, all BAD. Tyres from my sponsor, finnish CR-Renkaat, 245/40-18, pattern from Bridgestone RE71, rubber compound from Avon Semislicks (Iīm sorry that project pics dont link properly to this forum, if anyone knows how its done, please advice me. Simple [img][/img dont work, you have to change pic url someway..] Bodywork http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4250;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4352;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4354;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4356;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4358;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4360;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4362;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4398;image Engine fitted, LS3 engine did sit IMO nicely in place with original LS3 vette oilpan, sits low and far back, nearly mid engined Gearbox tunnel had to be remanufactured. 4gen pacesetter exhaust manifolds did fit rather easy in place, little bending ang cutting but couple hours of labour. http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4412;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4414;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4416;image In paintshop http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4452;image About ready http://drifting.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Tapah...y.jpg/_big.jpg http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4582;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4584;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4586;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4588;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4590;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4594;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4596;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4598;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4600;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=4602;image Dynoresults http://forum.f-bodyfinland.com/Yabbs...ch=28953;image In use http://s324.photobucket.com/albums/k...5052010012.flv http://eero.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2010/FPDA...e.jpg/_big.jpg http://eero.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2010/FPDA...e.jpg/_big.jpg http://eero.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2010/FPDA...e.jpg/_big.jpg http://eero.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2010/FPDA...e.jpg/_big.jpg http://eero.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2010/FPDA...e.jpg/_big.jpg http://eero.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2010/FPDA...e.jpg/_big.jpg Will be posting updates when project moves along, i will be doing basically suspension and steering mods for next season, and brake upgrades for track racing. For steering i am going for rack, and need to get wheels to turn much more. Selfmade control arms and some other cars spindles are THE plan, maybe from MK4 Supra, would get some descent brakes for bonus then. For rear iīm gonna ditch the leaf springs, somesord of 4-link setup is major plan, other option is some modern car IRS + diff. Iīm not afraid of little custom job or cutting the body. But iīm open suggestions about rear modifications. |
Nice ride, interesting body to use too. Most drifters like bodies you can easily get replacement parts for but more power to you.
there's a couple closet drift guys in here but not to many. Why not stick with the leafs. My understanding is you need a beefy rear suspension...ie type that doesn't bend easily and has has a relatively low roll center. Either way you go please keep us updated. Vince |
Nice car, great pics :unibrow:
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Now i have few leafs removed from packs and coilovers with relatively soft springs, i can setup overall springrate to correct(ish) level thatway, changing springs to coilovers. Leafsprings doesnīt make setting shock absorbers that easy, since they have their own ability to do that. Roll center, i donīt understand much about that area. And sorry if my english sucks a bit, iīm from Finland. Hope you understand all... Bodyparts, those are relatively cheap comparing to Jap cars, many guys drive JDM cars in here, when you need something in those, it sucks. And iīve allways wanted to do these things litlle different than everyone else, makes also easier to get sponsors. |
Nice car,look's like aton of fun.Keep posting.:thumbsup:
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Looks like a lot of fun. Welcome to Lateral-G.
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Checkout Heidts, they have a nice IRS system Vince |
And letīs point this out yeat, handles quite well for such basic mods, or what do you say:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uifl8TzdMYg |
Love that first shot. :thumbsup:
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For Early Camaro Spindle Conversion # Combine these Steering Arms with an Early Camaro Spindle or our Drop Spindle and Remove up to 13 Additional pounds! # Allows Excellent Bump Steer Adjustability. So whit what spindles are these supposed to be used? 1gen or early 2gen? |
Totally Awesome!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Paging Steve Rupp.......
Make sure Steve get's a few of those awesome pics and some words to go with. You never know..... Well done on driving the snot out of your Camaro man! G. |
I am installing accusump and oilcooler but how to attach piping to engine, exhaust manifolds has pretty tight fit
Any hints how to do do it. http://static.summitracing.com/globa...r-22-595_w.jpg This kind of adapter didnīt fit, no room for pipes. there is less than inch from filter to exhaust. http://static.summitracing.com/globa...e/ham-3323.jpg This kind dont work too good either, pipes go too low (for ground clearance) so would need to be connected with 90degree fittings, then those are also pretty wide and it gets tight with exhaust again. So, hints? And remember, LS3 so M22x1,5mm thread for filter... |
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Here you go "neighbor": http://www.lingenfelter.com/mm5/merc...Store_Code=LPE
Got one my self.. Henrik/Sweden |
Something has been done during long Finnish winter, main mission was steering and get wheels turn like they should in driftcar. Pics dont link correctly but click the links...
I made new lower control arms, using oldones as base. 7cm longer per side, changed wheels from 8x17et -10 to 8x16 et 8 and tyres from 235 -> 205. Now wheels can turn in THEORY 65 degrees http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=5144;image Then i get rid of old steering box and started to fit rack & pinion steering, i choosed Volvo 240 aluminium core rack, they use these in rally cars here and you can get different ratios to those, I had custom made infernals to that, now 2.5 turns lock to lock, in normal tarvel distance... And added 10cm more lenght to rack, so total travel now 28cm, should be enough....? http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=5140;image Then modified, knucles in right lenght and angle, i made bolt on adapters to knuckles, tested movements few times with those and when it was right made jigs and welded knuckles in those, maintained to keep them symmetrical that way, now it turns that 65 degrees and basically no ackerman at any turning angle. And doesnīt go near to dead angle at full lock, few days well spent http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=5146;image But how to route Steering axle, front crossmember was badly in way. Get 90 degree rotating gearbox to it:D Pic shows also how i solves upper control arm issue, i moved those from inside of brackets in frame to outside, so those moved 60cm out which correlated lenghtening of lower arms. http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=5138;image And last steering mod was to fit Opel Corsa C steering colum, tilt and elecric Power steering with adjustable sensitivity. http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=5136;image But then front wheel stick out 5cm from fenders, and front end had seen itīs better days also otherwise. So little glasfiber and paint. Btw. couldnīt afford zipties... http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=5158;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=5160;image Thats all about steering, not at full lock in this pic yeat. http://nikon.1g.fi/kuvat/Tapahtumat/...g/_smaller.jpg Then gearbox rebuild, it was kind of "loose" and i managed to do lot of misshifts in last season so in went new -> -Carbon fiber Blocking rings -Billet Keys for the 1-2, 3-4, 5-6 and Reverse Synchronizer Assembly, with stronger springs for keys -T56 3-4 Steel Shift Fork, used in Viper, standars aluminium is weak link -3-4 Synchronizer Assembly. Complete new. -Bronze fork pads for all shift forks. Im glad i did it, feels completely different to shift. Otherwise nothing fancy changes in engine, otherwise than adding accusump -> Canton Racing Products 24-026 - Canton Racing Accusump Oil Accumulators - Overview - SummitRacing.com to make sure that engine has alwas oil and oilcooler. http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=5148;image To rear axle, i decided to get rid of leaf springs and go with Four-link setup. I got Competition engineering universal kit and that assembly is in progress right now. Final gear ratio is also going to change from 1:3.72 to 1:4.1 so fourth gear will also get in use. And axle shafts change to Mosers stronger ones. http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=5152;image http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=5156;image And one more, polished it for car to :-) http://jimin.galleria.fi/kuvat/22.-2...).jpg/_big.jpg |
holy shi* you add a ton of turning radius!:thumbsup:
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That looks like so much fun! Car looks awesome man! And yeah, holy steering radius batman! :wow:
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Installation of Four-links, hints and tips please:)
http://static.summitracing.com/globa...ee-2017_cp.jpg I got that Competition engineering kit for basis, but should i go with link angles and dimensions that are in instructions. Does link angle (meaning front brackets height) and link lenght mean much, or is it just links mutual difference in angle what makes differences in car behaviour. Instruction -> http://forum.vastaheitto.com/index.p...ach=5164;image |
After some thinking and reading i think that put mounts that way that bars are level when installed in middle holes, sound right...?
Some problems... Bar lenght, those are 21", does 17" sound too short? My suspension travel wonīt be max, 4" travel maximun in and out. In 21" lenght front mount are directly in place of roll cage main bar. Or then put links inner side of frame rails but that doesnīt sound good option. Or lower bars outer side, normal leafspring line, and upper bars inner side of frame. Or both in normal place, lower bars 21" and upper bars 17" lenght, just cut front mounts and mount in different line. |
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http://fpda.arkku.net/assets/images/...g/Viitala1.jpg Few vids and pics from first race. Rear-end didnīt work that good, i think that four link setup didnīt mess anything but springs were too soft and maybe rubbers on end of coil-overs too soft. It was very restless to drive and movements little shaky when transiting, need to try different springs and few other adjustments. But i managed to run third on qualifications and 6th at final standings. F*cked up little bit at tandems top 8 and miss shifted, from third to sixth... Qualification runs http://slider.1g.fi/kuvat/2011/FPDA+...ala+veto+1.MTS http://slider.1g.fi/kuvat/2011/FPDA+...ala+veto+2.MTS Top8 http://slider.1g.fi/kuvat/2011/FPDA+...kso+veto+1.MTS http://slider.1g.fi/kuvat/2011/FPDA%...ala+veto+2.MTS |
Few vids from last race, went pretty good, first podium place this season. First vid may be most interesting. Most of Camaro at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUgCYPSjTok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP3NSH__4LY http://vilenius.kuvat.fi/kuvat/video...6.7%202011.mp4 |
Just Awesome!!
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That car looks bad ass and I love what you have done with it. Will have to check the videos when not at work.
Did I read earlier correctly? You added what looks to be huge gains in turning radius and are using a 2.5 turn rack and pinion? That looks straight nuts! Is that 2.5 turns lock to lock or from center lol? |
Cool car, :thumbsup:
Might as well leave that rear bumper off:D |
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It would be time to try normal track racing instead of drifting.
What would be recommended spring rates to this to rear-end? So it weights less than 1400kg= about 3050lbs race ready with driver and ratio about 50/50 front/rear. Four links at rear and coil-overs. If i remember correctly i have used 600lbs/inch springs in drifting but how much softer when trying to get grip. Nothing else fancy to suspension at this point, just springs and front sway bar back in itīs place. |
Have you tried it yet with bigger tires all the way around?
Typically the trade-off for steering angle you'll setup the car's suspension to understeer as well to create stability at a higher slip-angle...which is convenient, because when you add some front tire back into the equation you end up with a decent amount of front bite and a car that responds to input really well around a corner. Was going to ask also, did you ditch the steering box just for convenience as far as getting steering parts over there? |
No i havenīt and donīt think that i will. Front geometry has been thought that way that this is tyre size and wheel offset i will use. If i change somethink tyres will contact something in bigger angles. Itīs quite well balanced with 205 R888 Toyos at front and 245 sponsor tyres rear. But still noticibly oversteering, thatīs way i want it.
Steering modīs. No i didnīt basically even thought at sticking with steering box. I didnīt realize how i could manage to get over 50degrees angle with good ackerman behaviour and not to have over-fast steering in max steering angles. Main reason for this in my mind is center bars front-back movement. Plus one reason it is unsensitive feel, in my opinion. |
Few newer clips if someīs interested, from last race driven.
More entertaining, most of camaro at the end. http://vimeo.com/44117334 And more documentic with just my driving and all tandem runs. Major fail at 4:40, handbrake fell apart there... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDwFY5p3zwM& |
Car sounded great! It's cool to hear all the small boosted engines with their turbos whining like hell but there's still no replacing a V8 that's being romped on.
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Was fourth in that competition, in Tandem runs moved up on Top16 until in Top4 that handbrake broke and had loong straightening when following. Lost that couple and in Bronze battle against that big black Toyota just ****ed up otherwise, it was lot slower on wet track, i did go too close and made couple mistakes with my line and spinned.
Car sound:) Recently got new sponsor, and having new exhaust to it. Itīs now got just individual 3" pipes with one small mufflers at back. Think that will do x-pipe and pipesize 2.5" all the way or behind that X. |
Very cool vids. Nothing like the v8 sound among the 4 bangers with turbo's etc.
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Finnish season over, i did placed fifth at overall points in Finnish National drift championship series, i may be wrong but it may be first real national series driven under FIA. About 30 drivers... Not so bad, but not the way i planned it offcourse.
Cars are getting faster and faster, pretty much all top10 cars are in 600-800hp range, im struggling against with my barely over 500hp, funny still, Camaro is lighter than most of other cars. But iīm in need of supercharger if planning to run series next year with somesord of goals in mind, or trying to make 100-150hp more an N/A but, letīs see what i come up next winter... Otherwise car is good, pretty well balanced and i have pretty much grip and speed in reserve if just would have power to spin those wheels, fast tracks which accelerate toward finish are pain... Somesord of videoclip from last race, i did drive my this season only podium race in this, placed second. Other bests were 2 fourth places... But hereīs the film, no one donīt watch whole 14min so quick guide on my battles Top 16 in 5:20 against Pasi Koliseva and his Toyota Celica ST20? with ~600hp 1JZ Top8 in 8:20 against Henri Haanpää and his Toyota JZX90, 2JZ about 600hp, that following was probably my best with this car. Top4 in 9:50 against Marko Kivi, Lexus IS200 and 2JZ, 640hp if i remember right Top4 OMT at 11:20 Final in 13:35 agains real rookie of the year, Harri Kosunen (won the Championship) with Skyline R33 with supercharged LS2 and 670hp. It is two time Finnish championship car by previous owner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILntruGzh-U& Incar from first test on dry track, pretty ****ty runs have to say https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYSqW6x0i9Y& Another vid from last race... https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...6diHVIA#t=697s Im open for ideas how to make reliable N/A 100hp more on this 475whp LS3, now just cam, exhaust and standalone ecu. Best idea in my mind is Procharger D1 series an E85 fuel. Ok it should be good for atleast 700hp but... |
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Itīs time for small rebuild and few bigger upgrades. I wont be posting pics and storys to so many forums as earlier, But whoīs interested, join Autoviitala drifting team facebook group and youīll see pics and stories, no addīs and useless posts. Iīll start writing posts also english starting now. https://www.facebook.com/groups/42830947301/ Plans: -Add 1 Paxton Novi 2200SL Centrifugal supercharger, with Corvette C6 brackets from ECS. -Fuel -> E85, few upgrades regarding to that, KMS EV14 1210cc injectors -Car front end -> RS, add front spoiler -Repaint and new graphix -To rear BC Racing Coil-overs -Small changes and adjustments to front end geometry -Rear brake calibers wilwood dynalite -> superlite -Maybe small upgrage to engine bottom end, ARP & ACL |
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