Built Not Bought article LOL!
 

I dont post much here as I started over at PT. That place seems to have attracted quite of bit of trolls that bring nothing to the table lately. Perhaps LatG is a better place to put my stick in the mud and fling some ****.

That being said. The article by Tim King is weapons grade derp!
https://lateral-g.net/is-built-not-bo...ing-the-hobby/

There is a lot of work, waisted money, efforts, pride even relationships put into most if not all of these cars we’re building. I’m not saying a “Buyer" is a lesser man because he didn’t build it himself but there is a special category for those who have the skill set or learned it then execute.

The analogies in the article are not relevant.

Most of the best music is made by novices early on in their career when they are creative on the outside looking in. Generally if people like what they put out their intellectual property (Music) has a monetary value. Just like our cars. Are you a poser if you listen to it? No! Are you a poser if you dress and act like like Billy Joe from Green Day because you bought the album. Yes! Are you a poser if you bought a car at Barrett Jackson and act like you built it? Yes!

Beer is made by Brewers. I’m a beer snob and prefer German Bier. Spaten Oktoberfest is my favorite brew. I appreciate their efforts and trade my hard earned currency for their craft. Not much more to say here....

Jay Leno. I’ve got no reason to dislike the guy other than he’s a liberal. He’s a rich guy with a bunch of toys that he has paid staff to build or rebuild for him. Not in the same category as a “Built” guy.

My cousin built his 64 Nova while he was a Sophomore in High school. It was tubbed by him and my Uncle and set up as a pro street car. 1990’s. :lostmarbles: The car was stolen from the school parking lot while he was in class. 15 years go by and he notices the car with new paint at a local car show swap meet. He looks in the trunk and sees his craftsmanship. It’s his car that was stolen. He calls the cops, they seize the car and find the hidden VIN returning the car to his ownership. That’s what “Built” is all about.

At the end of the day if you “Built” there is a different level of respect. Much like The Clash > Backstreet boys.:popcorn2:

Who knew we would have a front runner for most ironic troll post of the year only 8 days into 2016.

Did you buy your car at Barret Jackson? :hitaxeonthehead:

:welcome3: lol

LOL...Donnie is quite a prolific and talented car BUILDER.

And every time that I've been to Leno's garage he's been elbow deep into a car himself.

As a car BUILDER, I have a great deal of respect for the car BUYER who makes it possible for me to BUILD the next one.

As a car BUYER, I have a great deal of respect for the builder whose car I just bought so I didn't have to spend the time building a car that I really like.

Welcome to the site sh!t flinger, it's a great hang out with a bunch of good people.

I read the article and was thinking to myself....who cares? Other then the folks that say that did the work when they didn't I don't think it really matters. If I had Jay Lenos money I'd be buying more tools and teaching myself how to use them, I'd also be buying every car I thought I needed.

Round here you've got builders and buyers, guys that make 100k a year and guys that make millions a year. For the most part the respect here is even across the board, as long as you're not a Richard......don't be a Richard.

:cheers:

So I’m off base here? You guy’s agree that “Built Not Bought” Ruining The Hobby?

I've been to Leno's and seen him up to his elbows working on steam engines etc.

No, I agree that the article is dumb but your post was the same. Both are opinions from the author, there is no factual data in either, just anecdotal evidence to support a position on a topic of debate. I only skimmed the article, only because you linked to it, it doesn't interest me.....it's just clickbait as is your post. I took the bait with your post and actually laughed out loud when I read

and then you proceeded with your troll post.

We _all_ play with cars, that's the point. Why people feel the need sub divide our group of car people I never understood. Imports vs Domestic, drag racer vs road racer vs autocrosser, street rods vs street machines, etc, etc,

Arguing about who is awesomer only proves who isn't.

I see it more as a post to discuss the dumb nature of a article that was sent to me via LatG email. I gave my rebuttal. Posers exist in every aspect of life. I gave examples.

The trolls are are the guys building fictional cars with everyones opinion on whats the super duper awesomest suspension of the day. No ideas of their own.

I don’t see why you would get your jimmies rustled but to each their own. :confused18:

The one thing I find ironic about "Built Not Bought" is that NO ONE is making EVERY single piece for their car. No one is mixing paint colors out of nothing, skinning animals for their hides for their interior, shaping panels from steel sheets, etc etc. Everyone buys something that goes onto their cars. Be proud that you have the skill and time to do what you can to your car and enjoy the hobby with other like minded enthusiasts.

Maybe we should all hate GM, Ford & Mopar for BUILDING all of these cars that we have BOUGHT. :bitchslap:

Good point. I was going to mention we’re all just modifying a product produced by a company.

I’ve seen a lot of people out here in Scottsdale who trade cars like baseball cards. They know nothing of the cars history or who did the work. Cashing in on the retro rod pro touring shtick.

Either way these cars have got a lot of attention and have been in the limelight for some time. That has brought out some real interesting characters.

https://49.media.tumblr.com/2a9c8711...tenjo1_500.gif

Well Played!!

:cheers:

depends on how you look at it but from what I have seen, it might get a couple good people killed. highway or the track.

I think the article has merits, I'm having a car put together with my input but i'm not physically turning the wrench every weekend. Does that make me less of a car guy? I don't think so, i took the approach of have a reputable shop that builds suspensions for mustangs put it together.

This get me on the track faster, which i enjoy way more than turning a wrench and i get to spend my weekends with my family (1yr old and another on the way) that are more important to me then some self of entitlement by claiming i built my car with my bare hands.

At the end of the day if you enjoy the vehicle you built / purchased / trade etc and it puts a smile on your face thats what matters.

^^^...and there you have it. Couldn't have said it better!!!
From a guy that wrote a check. :G-Dub:

I plan to keep my car unattractive enough so that no one will remotely assume that anyone other than I (aside from vandals) did anything (worth paying for) to my car . . .

When it breaks, I can blame the driver. This is not a value statement.

I am cheap (Steel Reserve!) and pathologically unable to pay others to do stuff (including basic plumbing in my house). That's partly a value statement, and partly an admission of psychological disfunction--we like to share that kind of thing here.:smiley_smack:


Tim's essay made some decent points that many on this site undoubtedly struggle with--many are happy to hear their frustrations voiced through the keyboard of another, echoing the way we appreciate (or dislike) another's music (as indicated quite nicely by the original poster:drowninga: ). That's what forums like this, along with effective communication, are for.

Onward and sideways . . .

I was conflicted when I originally read the article before this thread popped up. I tend to do most things on my car myself, with a lot of advice\help from friends here and in other places. I'd call my car "built not bought"...

But at the same time when it came time to refresh the bottom end of the engine, I didn't hesitate to take it to a specialist. Could I reassemble it myself after all of the machine work is done...? Probably... But why not let the guy that I hire to do the machining also reassemble it? It's what he does for a living, is very good at it, and could do it with his eyes closed while I'd be reading instructions the whole way through. Who is going to do it better?

Sometimes when out of your league, it's smart money to pay and expert.

So I think the label is harmful though...not a chance.

Corey, is that you? :popcorn2:

IMO the conclusion of the article is to perhaps rephrase it Built not Bought Built 100% by someone else.

The main question posed "is it ruining the hobby?" To that I would have to say NO. I like to build and when finished I end up selling to build another. So having the guys willing to lay down the green is a good thing for the hobby.

I've seen guys almost duke it out at car shows because a owner/builder was ticked a owner/buyer won a award and he didn't. It's the car being judged not the people so may the best car win. :drama:

I saw this article posted on Facebook the other day.This was my reply

Ruining the hobby? No it is not. The opposite I think. Those of us that have truly put in the time to build a car really do deserve more respect. We put in the time ,the stress,the overtime and late nights,the B.S from friends and family.
That being said I'm not going to disrespect someone for buying a finished car. That doesn't make them any less of a car person. I have talked to many people that bought their car and know more about it then I do. Sometimes you don't have the talent or space or time. I get it. But they won't know the real joys and tribulations and the relationship that is built over the build from a bucket to a badass.
I have stories about the cars I have built. Not something you can say when you buy a car.
Your point about how most of us just put cars together and not really build them because we don't make are own tires and panels is just stupid.Sorry man but it is. It's the builders that drive the industry. It's the builders that spawn sites like Lateral-G.net and Pro-Touring.com and so on. It's the builders that push the cars they built to the point that they need better parts to "bolt on" on their time and dime.
Ruining the hobby? No

Does anyone who can afford to buy a car or pay to have one built really give a **** about the opinion of someone else? Or would they choose not to out of fear of being judged? I think not.

I can't wait for the day I can pay someone else. I know it will turn out better, faster, more comfortable, more reliable. That matters to me because, guess what, I'm a car guy.

I don't care if you built your car or bought it, so long as you enjoy it. What does bother me is "that guy" that walks around every car show bragging about how bad ass his car is but yet drove to the show in a $200 beater because somehow his bad ass car is just never quite finished. That is just one reason I no longer attend car shows.

A ridiculous discussion that will come to a result about the same time as the presidential debate. Who are you to judge someone else and their involvement in a hobby? My philosophy should reign, bull.

There are plenty of circumstances where someone would buy a car vs. build it even if they have the skills.

What do you know Todd? You didn't even build the house you live in, lol :)

Which makes me wonder, do you think high-end custom home builders have these same stupid-ass discussions? Lol

Not much, Jeff. Just enough to not give a crap if someone builds their car or buys it. hahaha

I don't know about the home builders but I"m building one right now so I'll let you know! I'm not driving one nail either. :action-smiley-027: Maybe I should quit my job, buy a trailer to live in, alienate my family, and build it myself. Wait, I don't have a f'n clue. I think I'll stick to what I know and let a pro do his job.

That is actually a real good analogy when you think about it. I know home builders that swing hammers all day long yet they always seem to have trouble selling their homes... And I know home builders that never even pick up a hammer and their homes always sell pretty quick. Who is doing it better?

Even if a car builder isn't cutting, welding, bolting, spraying or whatever on their own car personally...they are the one making the decisions on what or how to cut, weld, bolt or spray and those decisions can be just as important as the actual work being done in a lot of cases.

Well said as always Todd.:thankyou:

Hey bud! Hope all is well.

Boys, boys! Can we please discuss something more important, like what the best color is?


....submited by a BUYER of the best color car.


Bill

Thanks Mario...

Bill, you have a point. :lol: That looks like black.

Hey guys I confess. It was a troll post. :waveflag: Trolling the stupid article. :rules:

I figure what better way to make an introduction than a couple of atomic wedgies. I hope you got a chuckle.

Anyhow. I’ve been here for a while, since 2010 dropping in and out but not posting as much. I have a 67 & a 69 Camaro/both unfinished. I’ve been stuck in AZ/Scottsdale for the last 6 years. Finally moving back to Orange County soon where my family, friends and Cars are at. I race Spec racer fords in SCCA. I keeping my car in TX for the 2016 season to race with friends. Planning on making it to the Runoffs at Mid Ohio this year.

It’s been a while since I ran a PT event. Since RTTC II when we ran the shop 67 Camaro. That article was divisive and full of girl purse swinging drama. (I should know I have two daughters). I can’t recall any of that going on back a couple of years ago. I hope it’s not going on now.

So you built your car. Sweet. So you bought your car. Awesome! All I care about is if you can drive the damn thing because I know a couple of Spec Miatas who will give you a run for your money. LOL!:RunninDog:

Cheers!

Corey

(from Facebook)

In response....built or bought...that is a touchy one I see...not everyone has the skill set to build, just like not every one has money to buy...so in my mind we should be doing both together..I was lucky enough to have uncles and friends to learn from my old man didn't have the skill-set to build, but he was one HELL of a great marine and took a few bullets in Vietnam for us and I remember him asking me to help him with his Mustang, so side by side I imparted a little knowledge to my old man, thats how it should be, I'm proud as a guy who builds cars to have someone that respects our industry enough to lay out the money to support another builder and join our car culture..thats the greatest compliment EVER! that dude could spend that damn cash anyway he wants, he could buy a boat, motorcycle, windsurfer, hookers, what the **** ever, but he chooses to buy a car and join us! rock on man! I will have a beer with that dude any time, I built mine, I built some for friends, I'm building another now for my girlfriend, and now I'm luckier than HELL to build for a living, WE ARE ALL CAR GUYS, my Pops will never be the builder I am and I will never be the Marine he is, when you meet a car guy that bought his car .....admire it for the vision it is between builder and buyer and remember, some garage guy built it, somewhere and that is what we all do....

Hi Rod!!

It much like what my father told me when i was young. You can either take the time, spend the money to learn and buy the required tools it takes to do the job or take the time to work and earn the money that it will require to pay someone to do it for you.

My thoughts are if you want something, match your skill set to own it. Whether you buy it or build it if its something you enjoyed good for you. Car lover is a car lover either way.

I don't know why our species has the deep desire to divide each other even when we have the same interest. May be the insecurity that one feels when something bought is better that something built. Ego's aside. Man up enjoy life.

HAHAHAHAHAHA


Perfect!

I can think of quite a few myself!




Built..... most recent one I did...


https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=38048


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Bought.... most recent....






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Ask me if I give a sh!t....



BTW Corey -- the BOUGHT '33 was driven to Texas from California and from Idaho to Bowling Green Kentucky last year (2015). Nobody gives a damn except me.

Man this build/bought argument will never die. I love the build, probably more then the finished product, that is why I will always do the work myself.

I can not do interior work, if I have a shop do it, I am less of a builder? I don't think so, no one can do everything. The level of these cars is so through the stratosphere, even the top shops, send stuff out to be done.

I love a buyer with deep pockets, that has a shop take a car to the next level. Thank God their are guys in the country that can still afford to have wicked rides built or bought. Hope it never stops.