69 Camaro at Best of Show

[Vegas69]

I agree the floater is the cats meow. Looks like BMR has a product and I know others are working on it as well. I've been kicking around installing a floating caliper to get me by.

[Cris@JCG]

Curious...What posi units are you running? I assume you guys are running 9" Fords..

Originally Posted by Payton King

a problem with the sealed bearings until we started driving the poo out of our cars.

Here is my unsolicitated opinion. Todd and I had a bad knockback problem with the sealed bearings. Part of the fix was ditching the Wilwood retainer and using the thicker Currie. Solved some of my problem. Todd went all out and changed to a tapered bearing. Willwood has since changed their retainer.

We are putting huge tires on the back of these cars now and generating a pretty good side load. I think the axle itself will still flex with the tapered bearing. You are asking the axle to carry the drive and the side load.

Enter the full floater. Most all track cars running a solid axle are running this style of rear. Speedway Engineering can make a full floater with their GN aluminum hubs, 1/2 inch wheel studs, 31 spline axles on 5 on 4.75 bolt pattern. You will be able to use your present wheels as the center section only comes 1 inch off the hub face and is the correct diameter. Only problem is the rotor adaptor is 8 bolts on a 7 inch spacing...12 inch rotors are as big as you can run.

Make a custom rotor adaptor/hat to run the 13 inch rotor for the 12 bolt 8.75 circle and you are golden.

This is going to be my route anyway...thought I would pass the info along

Originally Posted by Vegas69

I agree the floater is the cats meow. Looks like BMR has a product and I know others are working on it as well. I've been kicking around installing a floating caliper to get me by.

[phillym5]

Matt...

I was just at Best of Show the other day I had them do some color sanding on my Camaro... They did a great job.

I too was having an axle leak for a while. (6k miles)... I replaced the seal a couple times... it would help a little. A couple weeks ago i blew apart my spider gears..haha. Since putting the rear end back together.. the axle hasn't leaked yet. (maybe 250 miles).. but now i have a mystery "clank" that will happen every now and then in the diff.

I saw your camaro on the rack.. it looked damn good.
Are you wanting to hit the Carlsbad cars and coffee?? I now live here... so we should link up sometime.

josh.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by phillym5

Matt...

I was just at Best of Show the other day I had them do some color sanding on my Camaro... They did a great job.

I too was having an axle leak for a while. (6k miles)... I replaced the seal a couple times... it would help a little. A couple weeks ago i blew apart my spider gears..haha. Since putting the rear end back together.. the axle hasn't leaked yet. (maybe 250 miles).. but now i have a mystery "clank" that will happen every now and then in the diff.

I saw your camaro on the rack.. it looked damn good.
Are you wanting to hit the Carlsbad cars and coffee?? I now live here... so we should link up sometime.

josh.

The good news for you Josh -- is that you can leave a dead car on the road and skate your way home...

[phillym5]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

The good news for you Josh -- is that you can leave a dead car on the road and skate your way home...

You know it.... thats what pays for this hobby of mine!

[Matt@BOS]

So I called DSE today, and they couldn't really give me a good solution. They didn't even know of an inner seal for the housing they use. We also left a message with Kyle, but he's busy in Columbus. Hopefully he knows something, because as far as I can tell the housing doesn't even have a provision for a seal other than the tiny o ring that fits on the bearing, which just sounds like it would be prone to failure, and would seem uncharacteristic of DSE which almost over engineers everything. In any case, we're just going to throw it back together with some silicone and hope to keep the leaking to a minimum since I checked just about every seal ever made and couldn't find one built to the required specs.

Josh, I'd be down to go to the Carlsbad meet, but I think that's the last sat. or sun. of the month...not sure though. I've also been considering making the drive to Cars and Coffee in Irvine this Saturday if it isn't raining. Would you be interested in going?

also, what kind of axles do you have, are they Moser's by chance?

Matt

[Vegas69]

My guess is the oring isn't the problem. The axle grease is getting through the bearing itself. I just had this very discussion with Tobin at Kore3 yesterday. With no internal oil seal, it's not wonder it leaks. I bet the DSE test cars have TAPERED bearings. haha
https://lateral-g.net/forums/show...apered+bearing

[Payton King]

mine has inner seals. also know you can run a seal right off the pumpkin. they do this on the floaters to keep the diff fluid from washing the outer bearings

[Matt@BOS]

Originally Posted by Vegas69

My guess is the oring isn't the problem. The axle grease is getting through the bearing itself. I just had this very discussion with Tobin at Kore3 yesterday. With no internal oil seal, it's not wonder it leaks. I bet the DSE test cars have TAPERED bearings. haha
https://lateral-g.net/forums/show...apered+bearing

So Todd, how are you liking the tapered bearings, and your bearings aren't sealed are they? BTW I'm really hoping Kyle calls us back when the chaos of Columbus subsides. I feel like they know things we don't, seeing as how they beat on their cars almost every other week. Whether or their solution involves magic is the big question.

Now, speaking of full floaters, are they overkill for most of our cars? I don't know too much about them though, so if anyone feels like throwing up a good link for my education, it would be much appreciated.

Anyway, think I'm off to cars and coffee tomorrow, unless I sleep in. Maybe I can find out if the 275 tires we threw on today will rub/scrape at all. Hope the panel gap critics won't be there to look at my Carbon fiber hood in all of its rippled glory.

Matt

[Vegas69]

Leak free so far. All tapered bearings are lubricated by the rear end grease. I can tell you this, when I had roller bearings AND inner seals I had a inner seal failure. It leaked until I replaced the inner seal.