Once more .. Art Morrison or DSE sub?

[Bowtieracing]

Hello friends..

Its about time to make my mind wich way to go. I need new subframe fast and have come to two choises. Mostly because i have C6 brakes allready.

1 ) DSE front clip
I like:
-C6 spindles
-splined swaybar
-"detroit tuned" shocks to match my DSE rear shocks
- 10" wheels

I dont like :
-price


2) Art Morrison clip
I like:
-The price !! and possibility to bay it the bare frame now and later the rest of the parts
I dont like :
-the fabbed look compared to hydroformed
- looks of the stock style swaybar ( yes yes i know it sounds crazy..)
- "only" 9,5 wheels

Plase give me your opinions , i need to make my mind asap.

[mazspeed]

I have seen both close up. Art's at the Goodguys show. And CAR has a DSE unit one for display. Both company's are top notch, but if it was my car, I would go with the DSE. The quality is just outstanding, not that Art's isn't, just the DSE is a work of, well art. Now if you went for the full frame, you would get the Art frame. But you're not going to go wrong with either sub. BTW you can also get DSE's without powercoat.

[murtah]

Concur with above.

Go with the DSE sub if you want a top of the line piece that to the uninformed looks like it came with the car. DSE hasn't included their sub with any specials but if you shop around with their dealers you might get a break on price when they are running a sale.

Art's sub is also top of the line, with a damn bargain of a price for what you get. A good portion of the suspension pieces can be replaced OTC at GM or at the yard, plus Art has enough space between the rails to run a aftermarket AC compressor in the stock location of a LSX with little modification.
If these bennies aren't that important to what you have in mind and you have the cash; get the DSE sub.

[70gotboost]

Depends on what YOU really want?? In your words it reads like you want something that 'looks good' that is less expensive, rather than something that performs at a price.

[Silver69Camaro]

Originally Posted by 70gotboost

Depends on what YOU really want?? In your words it reads like you want something that 'looks good' that is less expensive, rather than something that performs at a price.

Again, handling performance is the same between the two subframes.

[PTAddict]

I have the DSE sub, which we have just test fitted into my '69. It really is a remarkable piece of engineering. And the price is not actually much different, at least if you're using all new suspension components ... The DSE will fit all LSx oil pans, and will clear a stock F-Body A/C compressor, if that matters. Ultimately, the choice of DSE partly came down to wanting front and rear suspension (Q-link) engineered together, thus having one fewer vendor to deal with in getting things set up the way I want when I hit the track.

I have a Morrison Tri-5 chassis in my wife's '55, and that is also a terrific piece. Both companies are great to deal with from a customer service perspective, so you really can't go wrong either way.

[Bowtieracing]

Thank you for good opinions - as always

If i decide to go with DSE sub can someone give me a hint were to ask "good" deal ? And is there any dse dealer close to Florida ( my freight forwarder is in FL lake worth )

[rwhite692]

One thing to consider (or at least, one thing that I'm considering, I guess I should say) is that with the Morrison sub, because it is built around the (wider) C5 arms, you will be running front wheels with a significantly greater amount of backside offset. This tends to make the front wheels look very "flat" ie not much "dish" to them, much like what a current late model vette looks like. I much prefer the look of a little more depth to the front wheel appearance on a 60's musclecar, and the DSE accomplishes this since they are using a totally different approach...Just my $.02 -Rob

[Silver69Camaro]

Originally Posted by rwhite692

One thing to consider (or at least, one thing that I'm considering, I guess I should say) is that with the Morrison sub, because it is built around the (wider) C5 arms, you will be running front wheels with a significantly greater amount of backside offset. This tends to make the front wheels look very "flat" ie not much "dish" to them, much like what a current late model vette looks like. I much prefer the look of a little more depth to the front wheel appearance on a 60's musclecar, and the DSE accomplishes this since they are using a totally different approach...Just my $.02 -Rob

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Our subframe has a 1/2" wider hub track than stock and does not require a flat-faced wheel, but keeps scrub in the optimum range.

Bowtie, a small correction, you can indeed run a 10" wheel with our subframe. Heck, we have one customer running a 295mm tire.

At any rate, pick whatever subframe you think looks the best. If you like the look of a stock appearing subframe, go with DSE. If you like the fabbed/aftermarket look, use ours. Both drive very similar and handle extremely well and there isn't anybody on these forums who would be able to tell the difference. I bet the weight between the two is darn close, also.