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[headcase]

Hello,

I have just looked through all the pro-touring car threads with photos/videos and majority of pro-touring cars are Camaros. Is there a reason for this?

I understand they are cheaper in the long run to build but I guess my real question is, can other muscle cars perform as good (say in my case a 1969 mustang fastback) if a chasis was built for it and so forth, or is there some issue with the car that even with $200,000 thrown at it, it still wont hold up to Camaros?

I've seen track times/wins at goodguys and its all flooded with camaros. I dont get it.

[coolwelder62]

Originally Posted by -George-

Hello,

I have just looked through all the pro-touring car threads with photos/videos and majority of pro-touring cars are Camaros. Is there a reason for this?

I understand they are cheaper in the long run to build but I guess my real question is, can other muscle cars perform as good (say in my case a 1969 mustang fastback) if a chasis was built for it and so forth, or is there some issue with the car that even with $200,000 thrown at it, it still wont hold up to Camaros?

I've seen track times/wins at goodguys and its all flooded with camaros. I dont get it.

George,In 2012 DSE stepped up and offered Super high qualtiy parts for the mustang owner's.And the DSE mustang has already won many event's with their DSE test car.It's just a matter of time until you see other's winning event's in mustangs using DSE's new Alum.frame componet's.I would love to find a 65-66 fastback for myself. Welcome too Lateral-G. Scott Mock

[Revved]

Originally Posted by coolwelder62

George,In 2012 DSE stepped up and offered Super high qualtiy parts for the mustang owner's.And the DSE mustang has already won many event's with their DSE test car.It's just a matter of time until you see other's winning event's in mustangs using DSE's new Alum.frame componet's.I would love to find a 65-66 fastback for myself. Welcome too Lateral-G. Scott Mock

Just got all my DSE hardware for a 67 Mustang Fastback Pro-Touring project and have a 65 Fastback Pro-Touring project that will get Full DSE on the books to start this year once this fiscal cliff crap settles out. Great guys, Great Products, Great Support.

I'm a "Ford" guy but I belive in the level we build these cars it really doesn't matter what badge is on the fender... they are all built from hotrod parts and racing hardware. The quality of the build depends on the workmanship putting the cars together to make them solidly drivable and enjoyable. Camaros have always had better parts support making them cheaper and easier to build up into the 90's Pony car wars. It really wasn't until the early-90's with the 5.0 Fox Body Mustangs that the aftermarket really took the Ford products to heart and started building them in volume to make them affordable. We are blessed nowadays with the wide variety of custom parts we have available to us to build these high end toys.

[214Chevy]

First off welcome to the site George. IMO, I think it has nothing to do with more than the car has just become an American icon. Chevy came up with a design more than forty years ago in 1967 and America fell in love with it. From there, manufacteurers saw a need in the market and capitalized on it. There are other cars, such as Mustangs, Chevelles, Cudas that are just as nice, but until there is a market for it, manufacturers won't invest money, time, R & D, etc into it until they feel they can sell a product. The Market for Mustangs is slowly growing. As far as performance, that all has to do with they way a car is built, regardless of make and model.

[Amituk]

It's just a popularity thing.. People just love camaros

I want to build a mustang next.

[Stuart Adams]

Originally Posted by -George-

Hello,

I have just looked through all the pro-touring car threads with photos/videos and majority of pro-touring cars are Camaros. Is there a reason for this?

I understand they are cheaper in the long run to build but I guess my real question is, can other muscle cars perform as good (say in my case a 1969 mustang fastback) if a chasis was built for it and so forth, or is there some issue with the car that even with $200,000 thrown at it, it still wont hold up to Camaros?

I've seen track times/wins at goodguys and its all flooded with camaros. I dont get it.

They all are not cheap to build. Parts were out earlier for camaros because of demand. Alot of $ goes into engineering, if the parts dont sell then kaboom. The mustang stuff is cool. I had an original 65 shelby and it was the worst driving car I've ever driven, drove it to the DMV and sold it when I got home LOL, the new DSE mustang stuff takes the mustang to a whole new planet. Even underpowered compared to most it does well amongst the other beasts around here on the track.

Good luck with your project. Im looking forward to seeing more mustang cars sprouting up.

[headcase]

Well thank you for the feedback. I usually like having something that is different. I did have a 68 Dodge Charger that I wanted to do big things with but after going for a ride in a Ferrari, I lost all interest in my dodge.

Car just felt like a boat inside, the ferrari was firm, low, felt like a go kart. Wasnt fast by any means (in terms of acceleration) but it felt like it was doing 200 in 2 seconds because of the tightness/small cabin space etc of the vehicle.

I wanted to go exotic (hence i started chasing a GT40 - Replica) but quickly found if I was to spend the money and headache trying to get one of those registered here in NSW, I would soon miss the whole muscle/beefy look my 'charger' gave. I knew I had to have something smaller, but I knew it had to be a muscle car. I contemplated a Chevy Chevelle, but that would feel near same as the Charger. It was the Camaro or Mustang that had the right 'size' cabin and with correct components, I believe, would feel tight like the F355 Ferrari I went for a ride in. It is also a muscle car. I know it may not be exactly like that as its not a 2 seater car but I did want some space for practicality as well. So it had to be a Camaro or Mustang. I know both are more common than the Dodge Charger by far, I also know neither 1 would feel identical to a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, but to me the Mustang in this case was the 'lesser common' one between the Camaro and Mustang and also the size of Mustang/Camaro would achieve the Ferrari feel a lot more than a big dodge.

Just a quick question though, Does Australia have anything available in terms of Pro-Touring events such as everything I am interested in (goodguys etc) that all seems to be in the US. If I was to build a Lateral-G car, where could I use it besides open track days at a race course. Somewhere where at least other cars of the like would be there and it be a bit more on the 'lets see who wins' side rather than a fun day out where nobody is really racing anyone.

[Revved]

Originally Posted by -George-

Well thank you for the feedback. I usually like having something that is different. I did have a 68 Dodge Charger that I wanted to do big things with but after going for a ride in a Ferrari, I lost all interest in my dodge.

Car just felt like a boat inside, the ferrari was firm, low, felt like a go kart. Wasnt fast by any means (in terms of acceleration) but it felt like it was doing 200 in 2 seconds because of the tightness/small cabin space etc of the vehicle.

I wanted to go exotic (hence i started chasing a GT40 - Replica) but quickly found if I was to spend the money and headache trying to get one of those registered here in NSW, I would soon miss the whole muscle/beefy look my 'charger' gave. I knew I had to have something smaller, but I knew it had to be a muscle car. I contemplated a Chevy Chevelle, but that would feel near same as the Charger. It was the Camaro or Mustang that had the right 'size' cabin and with correct components, I believe, would feel tight like the F355 Ferrari I went for a ride in. It is also a muscle car. I know it may not be exactly like that as its not a 2 seater car but I did want some space for practicality as well. So it had to be a Camaro or Mustang. I know both are more common than the Dodge Charger by far, I also know neither 1 would feel identical to a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, but to me the Mustang in this case was the 'lesser common' one between the Camaro and Mustang and also the size of Mustang/Camaro would achieve the Ferrari feel a lot more than a big dodge.

Just a quick question though, Does Australia have anything available in terms of Pro-Touring events such as everything I am interested in (goodguys etc) that all seems to be in the US. If I was to build a Lateral-G car, where could I use it besides open track days at a race course. Somewhere where at least other cars of the like would be there and it be a bit more on the 'lets see who wins' side rather than a fun day out where nobody is really racing anyone.

Here is something to keep in mind... not sure if you've come across this yet but AUS has in the last year or two started enforcing laws on the books that will not allow the import of modified vehicles. I've gone through this with a Aussie client that bought a pro-touring muscle car that needed some work and between the time he bought it and the time he was trying to get his import approval they would not let the car into the counry. You have to submit pics of the vehicle and apply for an approval # before shipping but they still have the right to turn you away on the dock in country and from what he's told me it is a complete roll of the dice. I'm told there are a few places in country that can build one for you but they are "Davey Jones." If I remember correctly you guys get hit with 25% duties on top of everything else bringing in parts to build a car in country. Completely assinine for a country that is the home of Summer Nats!

[intocarss]

Originally Posted by -George-

Hello,

I have just looked through all the pro-touring car threads with photos/videos and majority of pro-touring cars are Camaros. Is there a reason for this?

It gives Rob something to bitch about

[Iamtheonlyreal1]

The majority does seem to be Camaro, but there are some other builds out there.. With the Volvo P1800 and Amazon's I am doing, I am finding that it really has to do with support.. Where the initial interest is, that is where the new product investment tend to stay, so that gives numerous build and product options. More options draws interest, due to unique builds and exposure, along with more people to the game. And then starts the Pissing Match Builds for competition, and that brings the Notable builds that draws more people and excitment, along with supply and demand elevated value.. LOL

With the depressed Classic Volvo market for instance, there hasnt been any real support for Pro-Touring or Resto-Mod builds, so most have been hacked up foot notes of what not to do.. In building my Pro-Touring 68 Camaro, versus building a Pro-Touring classic Volvo, you can really stand back and see the difference. Everything I needed for the Classic Volvo, had to be developed and produced, or else there was nothing. The Camaro Support system has the luxury of having the ability for someone to develope one more cool production item, knowing you can then mate it with other cool items made by other manufacturers, so that makes it easy for more and more cool items to be produced. I see several other cars that have support gradually gaining, and with that support, will come new interest and new builds of those model cars. And when those cars start catching up and competing with the Camaro, you will see more and more of those other cars.

Luckily with the Camaro, there have been some really dedicated people, that took the time to do things right.. And because of that, the Camaro has bascially unlimited Aftermarket support, with no end to innovation and supply. As people start trying to catch up with innovations with their other cars, by using what was learned from this movement with the Camaro, they will have the intial dedication to the Camaro to thank for their starting platform.