Lateral-g project car to frame on to frame off

[3kidsnotime]

There will only be a couple more poll,s on the project car so we have a focus on what we are doing and get started with the actual build, I would like to do frame off it is only a couple days extra work and we can get alot better pics of the suspension, As far as the front suspension we are not going to do just simple bolt ons as we thought we were, instead we are going to do some drastic changes at a minimal cost, It will be more interesting and make the car work better, I will leave the frame off up to the poll so frame on or frame off

[Derek69SS]

I say "Frame ON", because the intention (from what I understand anyway) is to show the beginner what can be done without a lot of cash outlay... something almost anyone should be able to accomplish.

My thought is that a frame-off is beyond the scope of most beginners. We should be staying low-budget, and SIMPLE.

[907rs]

Originally Posted by Derek69SS

I say "Frame ON", because the intention (from what I understand anyway) is to show the beginner what can be done without a lot
of cash outlay... something almost anyone should be able to accomplish.

My thought is that a frame-off is beyond the scope of most beginners. We should be staying low-budget, and SIMPLE.

My thoughts exactly.

[3kidsnotime]

Thats what I like input We will do what the majority wants to see. Thanks and keep it up.

Jeff

[Hdesign]

Derek brought up a really good point. I would also add that, a frame off build is just that. It starts to put the project in a more "complete" category that is open to higher standards and possible criticism. I think the scope of this project is "what can a average car do to his car, in his driveway/garage for under $15K?" I'm worried we may start having feature creep if we go down that road and the budget will be blown. I mean a lot can be done with a bit of elbow grease, a rented pressure washer and a rattle can. Just my $.02 anyway.

[3kidsnotime]

Ben, Thanks for your input, this car is a project and to show what we can do with that amount of money and to also show others what they can do, alot of times a new comer or first builder spends his hard money in the wrong area and well we have seen it happen, that also is why the poll, it shows a focus point thats what every project needs is focus and platform, After the polls are done they will be stuck on 100 percent and the budget well its my money!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im sticking with it......... The art renderings that is also something every car builder needs to do, No matter how big or small the project it is a strong focus point for every project, Keep it up We will be building a car soon then the real fun starts as soon as we know what we are building keep the polls rollin

[Derek69SS]

Originally Posted by Hdesign

It starts to put the project in a more "complete" category that is open to higher standards and possible criticism.

Yes, the only way to stay under $15k IMHO, is to take advantage of some used parts... and it's hard to stick used parts on a brand-new, and freshly painted chassis.

[ProTouring442]

Originally Posted by Derek69SS

I say "Frame ON", because the intention (from what I understand anyway) is to show the beginner what can be done without a lot of cash outlay... something almost anyone should be able to accomplish.

My thought is that a frame-off is beyond the scope of most beginners. We should be staying low-budget, and SIMPLE.

I dunno... on our first "restoration" we pulled a '61 Imapala off of the frame. Only a couple of bolts there, a few friends, and it's sitting on the ground. I don't think this means the frame needs to be sand blasted and powder coated, but it does mean that it can be pressure washed, cleaned up, and spray-bomb painted with a nice durable paint.

Beyond that, my current project is being done by... well... me. I painted it, but I have never painted professionally. I pulled the body off of the frame, but (at the time) my parent's garage didn't have a lift. I did thw body work, including making a fiberglass spoiler for the trunk, but I have never done professional body work.

My point is that an enterprising person would have no trouble pulling the body. Beyond that, it will make repairing any damage (G bodies tend to rot their rear frame rails) and will make it a better job for little or no additional money. I hope I haven't offended anyone here, if I have, I apoligize.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
'72 442 "Inamorata"

[Hdesign]

Originally Posted by ProTouring442

I dunno... on our first "restoration" we pulled a '61 Imapala off of the frame. Only a couple of bolts there, a few friends, and it's sitting on the ground. I don't think this means the frame needs to be sand blasted and powder coated, but it does mean that it can be pressure washed, cleaned up, and spray-bomb painted with a nice durable paint.

Beyond that, my current project is being done by... well... me. I painted it, but I have never painted professionally. I pulled the body off of the frame, but (at the time) my parent's garage didn't have a lift. I did thw body work, including making a fiberglass spoiler for the trunk, but I have never done professional body work.

My point is that an enterprising person would have no trouble pulling the body. Beyond that, it will make repairing any damage (G bodies tend to rot their rear frame rails) and will make it a better job for little or no additional money. I hope I haven't offended anyone here, if I have, I apoligize.

Also a couple very good points. I guess I really could go either way as long as money isn't spent sandblasting and powdercoating it. I personally think that's overkill for this particular project.

[Ummgawa]

Frame on definately. When you go frame off you open a whole new can of financial worms that you'd double your budget on trying to accomplish. Plus you'll push you seat time way out in the future, in other words, it will be a long time before it sees the road.