Budget Oiling System Upgrade SBC...

[musclecarmatt]

Originally Posted by Track Junky

I'm a big fan of the Canton road race pan I have been using. I just had to purchase another one recently and IIRC it was about $350 to my door.

i really aiming toward canton pan.....also hows the clearance far as headers,oil filter...etc?...like to have a pan that fits the stock subframe without having to modify....

[Track Junky]

I dont have any clearance issues other than it being really close to my rack-n-pinion unit. I'm using part #15-250. My guess is you will probably need the same part no. if you are running a small block.

[musclecarmatt]

Originally Posted by Track Junky

I dont have any clearance issues other than it being really close to my rack-n-pinion unit. I'm using part #15-250. My guess is you will probably need the same part no. if you are running a small block.

thanks...i emailed canton racing products see what pan they reccomend.....you have their pickup and oil pump also?

[Track Junky]

I have their pan and pickup. I'm running a high pressure high volume Melling pump but that is due to running a remote filter, oil thermostat, oil cooler, all running through -12 sized lines. You wont need a specific pump for the pan and pick up to work. Pumps typically dont dictate what pick up to use as they are all typically in standard location but pans will vary in depth so be sure to purchase the pick up that goes with the pan.

Others may have a difference in opinion but If you are thinking about replacing your pump I like to stick to the rule of thumb thats been around forever which is 10 lbs of oil pressure for every 1000 rpm......so if your spinning to 6500 rpm 65 lbs of pressure at that rpm should be adequate.

Most important part of an oiling system is that the pick up is always submerged in oil and never given the opportunity to suck air.

I sucked a Moroso pan dry at the end of a long straight with a left hand up hill turn once and that incident cost me a rod bearing. I believe that happened due to the pan not having any trap doors to trap the oil beneath the pump/pickup.

[musclecarmatt]

Originally Posted by Track Junky

I have their pan and pickup. I'm running a high pressure high volume Melling pump but that is due to running a remote filter, oil thermostat, oil cooler, all running through -12 sized lines. You wont need a specific pump for the pan and pick up to work. Pumps typically dont dictate what pick up to use as they are all typically in standard location but pans will vary in depth so be sure to purchase the pick up that goes with the pan.

Others may have a difference in opinion but If you are thinking about replacing your pump I like to stick to the rule of thumb thats been around forever which is 10 lbs of oil pressure for every 1000 rpm......so if your spinning to 6500 rpm 65 lbs of pressure at that rpm should be adequate.

Most important part of an oiling system is that the pick up is always submerged in oil and never given the opportunity to suck air.

I sucked a Moroso pan dry at the end of a long straight with a left hand up hill turn once and that incident cost me a rod bearing. I believe that happened due to the pan not having any trap doors to trap the oil beneath the pump/pickup.

looking into the canton pan...with built in windage tray and trap doors....probably end up going with their matching pickup and stick a high volume oil pump in their as well...taking i got a standard oil pump in their now......

few people suggest running at setrab oil cooler as well......

[Track Junky]

I dont think you will have any issues with a high volume pump but before buying something like that ask yourself why you need it. How will a high volume pump benefit your current engine set up? Why not high pressure as apposed to high volume? You dont need to answer that......just saying talk to some engine builders and get educated.

An oil cooler set up can be done any time. If all your doing is autocross you may not need it. You'll know after installing an oil temp gauge.

It's easy to spend in this hobby and if you are on a budget you'll want to spend smart. Keep us posted

[Vegas69]

If you do plan to add a cooler and/or accumulator then a high volume pump is likely a good idea. I'd also change to full synthetic oil to help with viscosity at higher oil temps.

For autocross, a road race pan only will be sufficient.

[Sieg]

Question: Could a road race pan with high volume pump (w/o remote filter, cooler, accumulator) increase the possibility of a starvation condition vs a high pressure std volume pump?

[musclecarmatt]

Originally Posted by Track Junky

I dont think you will have any issues with a high volume pump but before buying something like that ask yourself why you need it. How will a high volume pump benefit your current engine set up? Why not high pressure as apposed to high volume? You dont need to answer that......just saying talk to some engine builders and get educated.

An oil cooler set up can be done any time. If all your doing is autocross you may not need it. You'll know after installing an oil temp gauge.

It's easy to spend in this hobby and if you are on a budget you'll want to spend smart. Keep us posted

i understand completely and looking at all options its going be abit before i can order an parts yet....just trying gain some knowledge and ask bunch of questions lol...

so far i know....i going to be getting new pan w/matching pickup...add oil temp gauge and pressure guage....so keep track of what its doing around the track.....think mostly a high volume pump over standard is moves 20%-30% more i think....

[musclecarmatt]

Originally Posted by Sieg

Question: Could a road race pan with high volume pump (w/o remote filter, cooler, accumulator) increase the possibility of a starvation condition vs a high pressure std volume pump?

to me like you said the high volume probably work best with a remote filter,cooler and accumulator being that its going to move more volume through them compenents.....being that i still running the oil filter on the motor with adding an accumulator the high pressure pump should be plenty......i think it would be upgrade with the new road race pan...over factory standard pump....could be the factory pump mite be sufficient?