The Subframe Market Grows and Specializes

[tyoneal]

Bumper and Core-Support Mounts

All factory bumper and core-support mounts for both 967-69 Camaros and 968-7 Novas have been duplicated at the g-Machine frame horns. Weld nuts are factory installed in fixed positions or movable adjustment slots
to simplify installation. Weld nuts eliminate the need for backside hardware access, allowing a boxed frame horn design that contributes to front-end vehicle stiffness.

Inner Fender Splash Flaps

Durable rubber splash flaps are available to take the place of the OEM pieces. Debris within the engine compartment is kept to a minimum due to the flaps contoured edge, specifically designed to fit the g-Machine suspension and OEM inner fender.

Part Number Description Price 6656 Inner Fender Splash Flaps for OEM Inner Fender with g-Machine Front Suspension (pair) $93.00

Clutch Pivot-Shaft Bracket Mount

Three threaded holes along the driver’s side frame rail are used to
mount our clutch pivot shaft bracket (P/N 633), sold separately.
The bracket supports the factory clutch pivot shaft in the same
position as the factory bracket.
Part Number Description Price 633 Clutch Linkage Frame Pivot Mount, for g-Machine Camaro Subframe (770) $30.00

Parking Brake Brackets

Provisions to mount the factory parking brake cable are included as part of the welded subframe assembly. A sleeve allows the cable to be routed through the driver’s side frame rail, protecting it from possible undercarriage scrapes, and permitting use of the factory adjustment mechanism and passenger’s side cable anchor.

Subframe Connector Mounts

The g-Machine subframe is the only system available with a built-in subframe connector mount. Mounts are CNC-machined billet steel and serve to cap the rear end of the frame rail for added rigidity. Tubular sub frame connectors simply bolt to the mount extensions and to the factory leaf spring mounting bracket, tying front and rear chassis structures together.
Bolt-In Subframe Connectors Chassis works is the only manufacturer to incorporate a bolt-on chassis stiffening system into our direct-
fit 967-69 Camaro/Firebird, 968-7 Nova subframe design. Our unique clamping method is simple to install, and creates a connection equally strong as a welded connector. Once installed the connector system
provides a direct structural bridge between the rear subframe at the spring mount, and the g-Machine front suspension subframe. A noticeable improvement in chassis rigidity yields more responsive handling
and sharper acceleration, while relying less on the flexible sheet metal for chassis stiffness. The g-Machine sub frame’s profile-milled, billet-steel connector mount enables a non-flexible, precision fit for the subframe
connector. The tubular connector fits snugly over the mount, flush along the lower face, and is securely held in place by doubling plates to more evenly distribute the clamping force from two /” grade 8 bolts,
x  Tubular
Subframe Connector
Black Powder- Coat Finish Grade 8 Mounting Hardware Doubling Plate Clamp
Body Bushing Mount (hollow underneath)
Slotted Holes for Easier Installation Billet-Steel Connector Mount Doubling Plate Clamp
Nylon Insert
Locknuts
Parking Brake Mount with Frame Sleeve

Chris Alston’s Chassisworks, Inc.
8661 Younger Creek Drive
Sacramento, CA 95828
[email protected]
www.cachassisworks.com
Order: 800-722-2269
Tech: 916-388-0288
Fax: 916-388-0295
All prices subject to change. Current pricing available at www.cachassisworks.com.
File: 7701_DS.indd Rev. 09/04/2007
for a slip-free joint. The  x  x .0” wall connector tube features multiple, subtle mandrel bends to
tightly follow the undercarriage for maximum ground clearance, and perfect alignment with the rear factory
subframe. To provide the most direct support and increase stability, the OEM leafspring mount sandwiches
two of the three gusseted connector mounting tabs against the body, while the third tab attaches using a
drilled hole at a stronger, contoured area of the undercarriage. This product ships with a black powder coat
finish, complete with grade 8 hardware and detailed instructions. Note: This product can only be used with
hardtop models equipped with our g-Machine subframe system.
Part Number Description Price
560-0 Bolt-in g-Machine Subframe Connectors, ‘67-69 Camaro/Firebird, Black Powder-Coat Finish $76.00
560- Bolt-in g-Machine Subframe Connectors, ‘68-74 Nova, Black Powder-Coat Finish 86.00
Single Box Shipment!
The Camaro g-Machine system
components are individually packed
to prevent damage during shipping,
and to ease part identification during
assembly. All boxed components are
then loaded into a heavy-duty, pallet-
mounted box then truck freighted
directly to your door — avoiding con-
fusing multiple-package paperwork
and lost shipments.

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'67-'69 Camaro Coil-Over IFS

Front suspension clip features double rail, mandrel-bent design that provides superior strength with higher durability. Engine mounts, core support, body mounts and suspension brackets come installed. All heli-arc welded for the highest quality strength and finish available. Engine mounts are designed to accept small block, big block and LS1 engines (optional brackets and Camaro oil pan required with LS1). Bolt-in multi position transmission mount is included. Urethane bushed tubular A-arms, spindles (2" drop), new manual rack and pinion gear, GM disc brake kit, black powder coated springs, anti-roll bar, and billet coil-overs and transmission mount come standard with kit. Optional show package features: polished stainless A-arms, chrome spindles, chrome steering arms, chrome anti-roll bar, polished billet coil-overs, and custom 11" brake with polished billet calipers and polished backing plates. Options available: black powder coated A-arms, power rack and pinion steering gear, Air Spring suspension, chrome coils, 12" or 13" brake kit. (Rotor, spindles, and brake units come assembled with bearings packed with hi-temp grease)

Coil-Over IFS product page - click here

End of Part 5

[tyoneal]

Detroit Speed and Engineering

http://www.detroitspeed.com/productpages/subframe.htm

LS ENGINE MOUNT BRACKET KIT

The DSE LSX engine mount bracket kit enables easy, no hassle installation of any LSX engine into the DSE hydroformed subframe. Our kit locates the engine in the proper location, provides the correct method of adapting the 3-bolt engine mounts to the 4-bolt LSX engine, and requires no fabrication.

Unlike others, the DSE kit comes complete with the following:

- Frame side engine mount stands
- CNC aluminum adapter plates
- Polyurethane engine mounts





Steering Coupler

The Steering Coupler U-joints utilize the latest in CNC machining technology. The U-joints are made out of the highest quality steel and have been thoroughly tested. Similar to OEM automotive U-joints, the staked needle bearing caps prevent loosening and adjustment malfunction.

The shaft is a DD that can be easily trimmed to exact length needed. Shafts are 12" in length as received.

Also available are vibration reducers
(DSE recommended) which significantly reduce vibration in the steering wheel and have also been shown to increase the overall life of the steering components.

The Steering Coupler comes in many different configurations which are listed below for you to properly choose the correct size and joint for your application. It is available in plain steel or polished stainless steel; as well as, with or without a vibration damper.

Note: On stock steering columns, verify output shaft type and spline before ordering. Please call with any questions.

SHOCK OPTIONS

Base Shock - Lightweight aluminum body coilover shock allows ride height adjustment. Specific "Detroit Tuned" valving provides superior handling performance and ride quality under all conditions. 100% dyno tested.

Note: Included in price of subframe.

Double Adjustable Shock - Includes all features of base shock plus installed independent compression and rebound adjustments with the simple turn of a knob. Specific "Detroit Tuned" valving provides superior handling performance and ride quality under all conditions. Low friction components provide responsive, consistent, fade free performance.
Remote Canister Monotube Double Adjustable Shock - Includes all features of double adjustable shocks. Specific "Detroit Tuned" valving provides superior handling performance and ride quality under all conditions. Incorporates a gas charged bladder design to provide both high frequency and low speed dampening control.
M2 Remote Canister Shock Mounts - These billet aluminum M2 shock mounts are manufactured for securing your remote shock canisters to the vehicle. Mounts with two 1/4"-20 x 1/2" buttonhead screws.

Note: One pair

CLICK HERE TO SEE PICTURES OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS

HYDROFORMED SUBFRAME
Detroit Speed & Engineering’s all new front subframe is a bolt-in replacement for the original stock subframe. It improves the handling and ride quality by utilizing DSE’s unique suspension geometry. It is the ONLY subframe in the aftermarket industry with hydroformed frame rails. The hydroformed frame rails feature strength and stiffness, relatively low weight, and precise quality and repeatability. Hydroforming preserves the steel’s strength and stiffness because it is performed at low temperatures, unlike traditional high temperature processes which decrease material strength.
The subframe comes complete with the following components:

• Hydroformed Framerails
• Stamped Crossmembers
• Tubular Upper and Lower Control Arms
• Coilover Shocks for Subframe with "Detroit Tuned" valving
• Coilover Spring
• Power Rack and Pinion Steering
• Splined Sway Bar
• C6 Steering Knuckles and Bearing Packs

A 10" wide wheel can be packaged without modification to the inner wheel wells. Both the main and secondary crossmembers are stamped for structural rigidity. SBC, BBC, LS1, LS2, and LS7 engines have been designed as a direct bolt-in into this subframe.

The DSE subframe has been designed, engineered, and developed for the road and track. This subframe blends the benefits of current OEM technology and aftermarket performance into one product!

The subframe is available uncoated and unassembled for your SBC, BBC, or LSX engines. We also offer the subframe powdercoated satin black and assembled.

NOTE: Subframe must ship freight

CLICK HERE TO SEE SUBFRAME SPECIFICATIONS

BRAKES

DSE HAS BAER BRAKE PACKAGES FOR OUR SUBFRAME. ANY C6 CORVETTE
BRAKE APPLICATION WORKS WITH OUR SUBFRAME.

BODY MOUNTS
DSE STOCK OR HALF HEIGHT BODY MOUNTS. ANY STOCK TYPE BODY MOUNT.

RACK & PINION FITTINGS

SEE DSE HOSE KITS IN THE STEERING SECTION.
RACK & PINION INPUT SHAFT 3/4" - 36, COMPLETE KITS AVAILABLE FROM DSE. ( SEE ABOVE )

TRANSMISSION CROSS MEMBER

CROSSMEMBER DESIGNED TO FIT A STOCK SUBFRAME, STOCK CROSSMEMBER, OR DSE T-56 CROSSMEMBER FOR VIPER 6-SPEEDS.

Z-BAR BRACKET

OPTIONAL MOUNT AVAILABLE FOR STOCK Z-BAR BRACKET.
PARKING BRAKE CABLE STOCK ROUTING AND MOUNTING.

BOLT PATTERN

5 x 4-3/4" STUD SIZE M12 x 1.5

17" WHEELS - 8.0" TO 9.0" WIDTH
18" WHEELS - 8.0" TO 10.0" WIDTH
19" WHEELS - 8.0" TO 10.0" WIDTH

ENGINE MOUNTING, OIL PAN, HEADERS, COMMENTS

SBC
STOCK TYPE MOUNTS AND BRACKETS
STOCK OR AFTERMARKET
PATRIOT
P / N: H0821
P / N: H8047
N / A

BBC
STOCK TYPE MOUNTS AND BRACKETS
GM
P / N: 10240721
CALL DSE
N / A

LS1 & LS2

DSE
P / N: 060401
STOCK OR CHAMP - P / N: LS1000

CALL DSE

A / C COMPRESSOR WILL FIT IN STOCK 4TH GENERATION F-BODY MOUNTING LOCATION.

LS7
DSE P / N: 060401 STOCK

CALL DSE

A / C COMPRESSOR WILL FIT IN STOCK 4TH GENERATION F-BODY MOUNTING LOCATION. NEEDS CAMARO STYLE BALANCER / PULLEY.


LS ENGINE MOUNT BRACKET KIT 060401....$225.00

BASE SHOCKS

INCLUDED IN PRICE OF SUBFRAME

DOUBLE ADJUSTABLE SHOCKS 031005 $220.00 UPGRADE

REMOTE CANISTER MONOTUBE DOUBLE ADJUSTABLE SHOCKS 031006 $885.00 UPGRADE

M2 REMOTE CANISTER SHOCK MOUNTS 032102 $89.00

1967 - 1969 CAMARO / FIREBIRD 1968 - 1974 NOVA 032004- 475 lb/ in. SBC
$7185.00

1967 - 1969 CAMARO / FIREBIRD 1968 - 1974 NOVA 032005 - 525 lb/ in. BBC
$7185.00

1967 - 1969 CAMARO / FIREBIRD 1968 - 1974 NOVA 032006 - 425 lb/ in. LSX $7185.00

1967 - 1969 CAMARO / FIREBIRD 1968 - 1974 NOVA 032001- 475 lb/ in. SBC
$6700.00

1967 - 1969 CAMARO / FIREBIRD 1968 - 1974 NOVA 032002 - 525 lb/ in. BBC
$6700.00

1967 - 1969 CAMARO / FIREBIRD 1968 - 1974 NOVA 032003 - 425 lb/ in. LSX
$6700.00

SUBFRAME UNCOATED OPTIONS
SUBFRAME WITH BLACK POWDERCOAT & ASSEMBLY OPTION
SUBFRAME IS SATIN BLACK. UPPER AND LOWER CONTROL ARMS, AND SWAY BAR ARMS ARE GLOSS BLACK
ACCESSORY COMPONENTS
WHEEL FITMENT
ENGINE FITMENT
STEERING COUPLER WITH VIBRATION REDUCING U-JOINT

End of Part 6

[tyoneal]

Art Morrison

http://www.artmorrison.com/2006cat/35.pdf

AME GT Sport Front Clip
Bare Welded Clip ......................$ 2,945
Bare, Welded Clip......................$2,945.00
C5 Frnt Susp Kit w/Drop’d Arms....2,315.00
Sway Bar & Mount Kit...................260.00
Tie Rod Ends...................................50.00
Strange Coil-Overs.........................440.00
AGR Power Rack...........................300.00
Shim & Alignment Kit....................140.00
TOTAL.........................................6,45 0.00
Package Discount..........................500.00
Package Price w/o Brakes....$5,950.00
35800-929-7188•fax: 253-922-8847 •www.artmorrison.com
Bolt-In Installation For 1967-69 Camaro
and Firebird, plus 1968-72 Chevy Nova
Complete Clip............................ $5,950
Disc brakes are an extra cost option
AME’s exclusive dropped steering arm C5 spindles make this package really work Destined to become one of the most popular bolt-in chassis
modifications of all time, Morrison’s new GT-Sport Front Clip is a “must have” addition to any first generation Camaro/Firebird built to G-machine specs. It also fits 1968-72 Chevy Novas. Through use of a specially modified C5 spindle with lowered steering arm mounting, the AGR power rack & pinion steering unit is mounted some 2” lower in the frame, which allows for a lower CG and improved handling. Big block, small block and
LS-series Chevy engines can be employed, as well as virtually any popular automatic or manual transmission —including Richmond 5/6-speeds, Tremec T56 and TKO, Mncie, Powerglide, TH-350 & 400, 700-R4 and 4L60E— thanks to a series of available mounts.

Designed through use of FEA (finite element analysis) the
105 lb. front clip has outstanding strength and stiffness, yet is
significantly lighter than the bulky OEM unit. With a reduced
unsprung weight, forged aluminum C5 Corvette control arms, a
shortened front view swing arm, modified caster, and adjustable
coil-over shocks, Morrison’s GT-Sport clip will provide awesome
handling. It comes with a near-stock tread width for optimum
wheel fitment opportunities, and can use a wider-than-stock tire
(265/35R18 tested).
As no cutting or welding is required, installing a GT-Sport clip
can be performed by most competent do-it-yourselfers in the
comfort of their own garage. With an aggressive, lower stance
and incredible handling characteristics, the look and “feel” of a
Morrison GT-Sport Clip-equipped Camaro is unbeatable!
AME '07 Cat hel 1/16/07 4:39 PM Page 35
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Thanks for your patience I hope this turns out to be helpful. (At least I tried)

As time goes on the products offered to us are continuing to evolve for the better.

Please help sum up the Important facts between these products. (Pro and Con and why?)

I think it would give the consumer and the manufacturers a way of making a better purchase decision, and possibly an insight into future development direction.

Add your thoughts and additional info you find. I think it would be really revealing how each stack up against each other.

Thanks,

Ty O'Neal

[Vince@Meanstreets]

nice break down, the compare feature on Amazon.com would be envious but you lost me about the end of page three. Those squares made me crave french toast so you might want to delete those. Maybe put a boobie picture somewhere in the middle to wake people up.

Can you embed a few pictures...no boobies as that was a joke. French and surup makes me babble and playfull.

[crazycarl]

There's a lot of good information there, thanks for posting it, but I think if anyone were to actually figure out what it would cost for what they want they would come up with a very confused total.

I've had Chassisworks quote me a clip before and they went through all the options on the phone with me. I'm sure Art Morrison, DSE, etc. would too.

[Bowtieracing]

Tyonel, good documentation!!!

[tyoneal]

Seems to me the items that stand out the most are:

Regular Sway Bars-Type?, Size?, Adjustable Yes/No?

Splined Sway Bars (What kind and size, solid or hollow? Is there a choice in size?)

Rack and Pinion Steering (Except most don't mention the available ratios for them) Some Racks are mounted BELOW the frame for lower cg, however does that put your Rack in such a location where debris will hit it?

Weight vs standard subframe for each one

How much adjustability there is in setting the Caster/Camber etc for each one frame?

Price

Maximum Wheel and Tire width WITHOUT rubbing!

All have coil-over springs. What are the spring rates they use and what type of ride/purpose are they trying to achieve? (I know it depends on the weight of the engine, however that in mind aren't they still chosen for a specific type of ride?)

Double adjustable shocks

Do you need custom headers for the frame or will standard one work?$$$

Dropped Spindles VS Dropped Springs (I think I've read that dropped springs are more desirable) Please check this out by someone else. In any event there is a difference, and what is the difference?

Do you use Standard Metal Body Bushings or the Low metal body bushings to help lower cg? If you use the lower does it mess anything else up regarding fitment of the rest of the parts?

What Test have been run on these frames vs. the standard frame with Hochkis Arms, sway bars etc. Was there a difference? if so, how much, and why? Is the % in change worth the extra price of the new frame?

Martz is the only company that has several frames, each designed for a different purpose. Is the difference note worthy, or a marketing angle?

Are any of the frames truly superior to the others or at this level is it a matter of what style do you like the best, or which is the cheapest?

I hope not, but I don't know. Wish I did because it's a pretty big chunk of cash for any of them, and a lot of installation time. And to top it off the original subframe is already installed and waiting to be upgraded.

I know this is blunt, "but inquiring minds want to know!"

[lil427z]

Originally Posted by Bowtieracing

Tyonel, good documentation!!!

thanks for info .
rickk

[mazspeed]

Originally Posted by 1969L-89Rag

I saw a new Subframe and Suspension system at the Englishtown Swap meet this weekend. It was Fantastic!!!

All 4130N Chromemolly, powder coated

Special "Satchell Link" AMLS rear suspension. BRT Steering Rack! All Racing Technology!!!!

They had for 1st and 2nd Gen Camaro and Firebirds, Mustangs and others.

I am going to check out their shop on the way to Carlisle and test a car with the system in it.

If it works as good as they claim I am ordering a system for my 69 Camaro!!!



I cut and attached a photo from their website.

I thought you might want to add them to your GREAT Compiliation.

Kind of hard to tell, but it didn't look all that strong. No beef in certain areas where it needs it. At least that's what it looked like on the small pictures.