so I went to the Denver auto show yesterday, they had the 09 ZR1

the new Camaro concept

and the Challenger in orange and black with a classic orange and black challenger nearby on display
The Camaro looks like a$$ even in person IMO. The Challenger looked a bit chopped to me in photos, but it is really a roofline roll thing (that may be hard to get what I mean but best I can come up with

) It looks pretty freakin' cool actually. It has the typical really tall mid-section so common with Dodge vehicles these days that I am not too keen on (the car needs sectioned about 2") but I *think* that is trying to make the car fit the fricken wheels (the wheelwells are monsterous). Still, overall looks awesome and I am really waffling whether I like the GT500 or the SRT better visually.
The main thing I noticed standing there watching the spinning display is that women LOVE the car (not sexist, but let's be real... generally women couldn't care less about cars and are at those shows cuz the husband/BF/? drug them there haha). It was more often than not the guy was checking out the old car display, the woman would have wandering eyes and see the SRT spinning on the display and start in "honey, honey, OMG! look at that! wow! " etc etc while grabbing a hand and dragging the guy over there.
That tells me that they hit it right on the head!! If you can get both parties interested in the car, that will lead to sales for sure.
Now the ZR1. A bit ghetto with the see thru hood and after hearing all the guys standing around me seeming to make the same comment amongst themselves, but after that, that car is going to be a beast. Just unbelievable what GM is doing with the Vette in recent history. I more or less am still a blue blooded Ford guy, but GM has it all right since updating the Vette to the C6 (styling is much better than the C5 tho' I would still like a pop-up headlight) and introducing the "SBF" LSx series engines. Ford screwed up with that mod-motor crap and so forth IMO. Anyway, off rant, the spokesman talked to us for a bit about the ZR1 and all I can say is I am impressed. For the money (which I don't have BTW

) that car is a value by comparison to other super cars, tho' I think you could do much more with a $50K base model and $50K dumped into it (same money) but I am no collector.