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Old 12-08-2011, 10:21 PM
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That's messed up. I knew about the sensor icing, but had never read the CVR transcripts.

I see this in two ways. The first being that Airbus takes the piloting out of their airplanes in a lot of ways. With the flight controls in manual and set to "Dual" the airplane averaging the two inputs is just stupid if you ask me. Airbus programs all kinds of funky logic (if you want to call it logic) into their aircraft. Is it unsafe? No. Manned by a well trained and experienced flight crew that understand how the aircraft thinks, works and knows the limitations, it's not a problem.

The second thing is the flight crew. It appears that an inexperienced pair where put together in what's called a "green on green" situation with no clear line of who was the PIC (Pilot in Command) while the Captain was resting. The airline is to blame for that. Both pilots failed to see the reality of the situation after the airspeed failure (obviously) and put the aircraft into a falling leaf type stall. Easy to get out of if you're paying attention. I'd bet that they where under the impression that the aircraft was having more than one type of failure and ignored the warnings as such. Basically, they didn't trust or believe what the instruments where telling them. The break down in basic CRM is unforgivable.

I can honestly say that in all my flying I have never seen this type of situation with flight crews. Not even in the SIM while training on all types on emergency's including that types of a stall. I should note that I am not type rated in any Airbus. Huge fan of Boeing though and have flown a few. The 757-200 being my favorite. I like to describe it as the ZR1 of airliners.

Greg & James....just stick to U.S. carriers and you're fine.

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Old 12-09-2011, 07:21 AM
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Greg & James....just stick to U.S. carriers and you're fine.

I do when I can Curtis but from time to time I have to fly on a Caribbean carrier who does tend to make me a little bit nervous.
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