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Old 02-12-2005, 07:00 AM
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Wow, Jody, Tremendous Bummer. My offer still stands
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Old 02-12-2005, 09:15 AM
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Here's what happened in a condensed version.

First paint job, looked great. Started color-sanding and buffing and went through on a couple of small areas on the 1/4 panel (painter did, not me!). Wasn't into the base coat, but left a milky image. Figured out he painted 3 coats of clear, sanded the whole car, and then added two more. No problem with this other than you now CANNOT go through the top two or you'll leave an image where you get into the sanded clear coat. He thought about blending the areas, but also figured we weren't done sanding and in all likeliness we'll go through several more. So he re-shot the car.

Second job looked awesome too. After completely sanding the car down we start to buff. Do about half a 1/4 panel and then notice some tiny white dots. They're UNDER the clear, on top of the base coat. Nobody else was spraying in the shop at the time he did, so he figured it must have been a dirty gun. They're all over the place so we can't leave them. On to job three and where we're at now.

The painter has been 100% stand up but I can't let him do it again. I will strip the car back to primer, re-block and primer, seal, and shoot it myself.

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Old 02-12-2005, 11:34 AM
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Damn Jody, I am really sorry to hear that....but you are correct in taking to time to just do it the right way...The joys of building a car...hang in there buddy, it will be wicked when finished.
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Old 02-12-2005, 12:16 PM
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Yeah, but now I'm re-thinking my color choice!

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Painless Performance for their wiring harness

Ron Davis Radiators for their radiator and fan assembly.
Baer Brakes for their front and rear brakes

Texas Speed and Performance for their 427 LS Stroker
American Powertrain for their ProFit Magnum T56 kit
Currie Enterprises for their 9" Third Member
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McLeod Racing for their RXT street twin clutch
Ididit for their steering column
Holley for their EFI and engine parts
Lokar and Clayton Machine for their pedals and door and window handles
Morris Classic Concepts for their 3 point belts and side mirrors
Thermotec for their heat sleeve and sound deadening products
Restomod Air for their Tru Mod A/C kit
Mightymouse Solutions for their catch can
Magnaflow for their 3" exhaust system
Aeromotive for their dual Phantom fuel system
Vintage Air for their new Mid Mount LS front drive
Hydratech Braking for their hydroboost system
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Old 02-12-2005, 12:23 PM
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i know how you feel man, we have re-done parts of my car also and it makes a man go crazy
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What color are you thinking about? The original rendering?

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Old 02-12-2005, 03:17 PM
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No, todays choice is silver with Black Hockey stripes
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Dakota Digital for their Chevelle HDX Gauge Package
Painless Performance for their wiring harness

Ron Davis Radiators for their radiator and fan assembly.
Baer Brakes for their front and rear brakes

Texas Speed and Performance for their 427 LS Stroker
American Powertrain for their ProFit Magnum T56 kit
Currie Enterprises for their 9" Third Member
Forgeline for their GF3 Wheels
McLeod Racing for their RXT street twin clutch
Ididit for their steering column
Holley for their EFI and engine parts
Lokar and Clayton Machine for their pedals and door and window handles
Morris Classic Concepts for their 3 point belts and side mirrors
Thermotec for their heat sleeve and sound deadening products
Restomod Air for their Tru Mod A/C kit
Mightymouse Solutions for their catch can
Magnaflow for their 3" exhaust system
Aeromotive for their dual Phantom fuel system
Vintage Air for their new Mid Mount LS front drive
Hydratech Braking for their hydroboost system
Borgeson for their stainless steering shaft and u joints
Eddie Motorsports for their hood and trunk hinges and misc parts
TMI Products for their seats, door panels, and dash pad
Rock Valley Antique Auto Parts for their stainless fuel tank
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Hi guys, I know this is an old topic, but I'm new to the forum & just came across it.Hopefully I can explain what has gone on here & prevent anyone else having similar problems.
Once a car has been painted/lacquered it takes some time for the solvents in the thinners used to "outgas".The solvents evaporate through the layers of paint to the surface & disperse into the atmosphere. (that's why a fresh paintjob still "smells" even after a few weeks, it's the solvents evaporating). Now, it seems the guy lacquered the car (3 coats) & no doubt would have baked it,colour sanded it & re lacquered it again (another two coats) prior to final colour sanding.
What has occured here is that although the car has been baked in the low bake oven & to all intents & purposes seems hard to the touch, the paint is still "out gassing" & will continue to do so for a few weeks.The solvents from the first paintjob won't have fully outgassed & subsequently they've been "trapped" between the first & second paintjobs. Once trapped they will show up as small white dots in the paint as you try to colour sand.
Had the painter applied all 5 clearcoats in one hit, it's more than likely this problem wouldn't have occured. However,assuming it's a 2K lacquer that is used, any more than 5 coats of lacquer used, will start to create it's own problems. Too high a build thickness of paint/lacquer will cause the same problems. Because 2K paints are dried chemically (catalyst used) you'll find that the surface of the paint fully cures & "traps" the solvents in the paint underneath it, as the solvents cannot evaporate through a high/thick build of paint quickly enough to reach the surface before the surface cures fully.Another problem you'll come across with too thick a paint is that as it "cures"it shrinks somewhat, & can in certain circumstances crack or pull out of tight edges.
If you want to add a high build of paint/lacquer to your car, then paint it & leave it for a good few weeks before recoating it again, in doing this you'll even be able to colour sand through the second lacquer job to the first & still be able to cut & polish without seeing the "edge" between the two paint jobs. HTH..........Nigel

ps you guessed,..... I've had my own custom paintshop for 26 years & have taught in auto colleges, oh yeah & I live in Britain & I'm currently putting together a '69 Z28.

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Old 07-28-2005, 07:31 AM
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Thanks for the info! The only time he did the clear in 2 sessions was the first time. All the others were 5 coats in succession. But re-doing this thing so many times in such a short period, even with baking in a booth was going to cause issues anyway.


I'm just now back to the point of re-painting it myself. All the mockup work has been done.

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Painless Performance for their wiring harness

Ron Davis Radiators for their radiator and fan assembly.
Baer Brakes for their front and rear brakes

Texas Speed and Performance for their 427 LS Stroker
American Powertrain for their ProFit Magnum T56 kit
Currie Enterprises for their 9" Third Member
Forgeline for their GF3 Wheels
McLeod Racing for their RXT street twin clutch
Ididit for their steering column
Holley for their EFI and engine parts
Lokar and Clayton Machine for their pedals and door and window handles
Morris Classic Concepts for their 3 point belts and side mirrors
Thermotec for their heat sleeve and sound deadening products
Restomod Air for their Tru Mod A/C kit
Mightymouse Solutions for their catch can
Magnaflow for their 3" exhaust system
Aeromotive for their dual Phantom fuel system
Vintage Air for their new Mid Mount LS front drive
Hydratech Braking for their hydroboost system
Borgeson for their stainless steering shaft and u joints
Eddie Motorsports for their hood and trunk hinges and misc parts
TMI Products for their seats, door panels, and dash pad
Rock Valley Antique Auto Parts for their stainless fuel tank
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:35 AM
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Are you really using lacquer Jody?

EvilZ, do you use lacquer?
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