Driverz, Inc.

[parsonsj]

Originally Posted by Andrew

but are completely oblivious to their past dealings as they (the mods) just delete any post that questions them

Have you seen the PT.com Feedback forum?

http://www.pro-touring.com/forumdisp...p?121-Feedback

It's been in place for over a year.

[Andrew]

^ Thanks for pointing that out. I had not seen the negative feedback for driverzinc there.

I was referring more to Newgen wheels being a sponsor on protouring and threads like these - http://www.pro-touring.com/showthrea...-Check-it-out!

Correct me if I am mistaken as I very well may be but the fellow "Jon" responsible for alot of the ish that happened with driverz is now running newgen? Similiar in construction when you steal so much money from home owners you just start up a new company with a new name. If I was a mod/admin of protouring I would want to have nothing to do with the character.

[rrunner68]

I have deliberated about posting in this speculation/character assassination-fest, for fear of being branded a "cheerleader" of sorts, but let me put this in a different light...

Let imagine perhaps someone was trying to run a vehicle customization/retail shop as well as starting up a wheel designing brand. After trying to compete in the Walmart based world of internet car part sales, you find yourself behind, but not screwing customers over. So you decide to split the companies (no small legal feat in CA) and find a young up and comer to take over the retail portion of the business. To your knowledge the deal is going through, bank accounts are being transferred to the new parties, and the new guy is taking orders, but not filling them, and the accounts are signed over, so you have no means of tracking or accessing the monies. After weeks of the money coming in and no parts going out, the guy cleans out the accounts and backs out of the deals. You now have a huge liability, a guy that has access to all of your assets and has been stealing from your customers for the last 3 months.
So the best thing you can do is suspend your business license so he can no longer conduct business under your or your companies name, grab a moving truck and take everything that isn't bolted down and put it in your garage before it ends up on eBay or craigslist. Then hire the best lawyer that money can buy and sit back and watch the wonderful world of the Internets tear you and your livelihood asunder.

Now I'm not saying that this is what happened, but since we are all throwing out wild accusations, I figured I'd try too.

What I can state as a FACT is that in the last 4 weeks I have bought and paid for products from JON at NEWGEN WHEELS, received all products (in person) in a timely fashion, and as recently as 2 weeks ago.

What I have seen on the forums is orders placed through Travis (a real person) or Jon (on behalf of Driverz to ensure a smooth transition of his former company) that were not filled. And a bunch of rightly pissed off people with no money and no parts. File a complaint with your CC company, and good luck in your future penny-pinching endeavors.

Just a thought. I wish all parties involved the best.

[garickman]

Originally Posted by rrunner68

To your knowledge the deal is going through, bank accounts are being transferred to the new parties, and the new guy is taking orders, but not filling them, and the accounts are signed over, so you have no means of tracking or accessing the monies. After weeks of the money coming in and no parts going out, the guy cleans out the accounts and backs out of the deals. You now have a huge liability, a guy that has access to all of your assets and has been stealing from your customers for the last 3 months.
So the best thing you can do is suspend your business license so he can no longer conduct business under your or your companies name, grab a moving truck and take everything that isn't bolted down and put it in your garage before it ends up on eBay or craigslist. Then hire the best lawyer that money can buy and sit back and watch the wonderful world of the Internets tear you and your livelihood asunder.

Anything is possible, and I am not one of the people who got screwed out of money. I am just an outsider pointing out some inconsistencies to help those who did get screwed. The two problems I see with your theory are this;

1. There are several customers who ordered through Jon and paid long before Jon left the company in some cases several months who have no product and no return of their money.

2. There are customers who ordered wheels through this alleged new owner yet their paypal payments went to Jon@driverzinc.

[parsonsj]

Andrew, no problem.

As you've noticed, the YellowBullet claims about PT.com and deleted posts weren't exactly accurate.

Anyway, NewGen's status on PT.com is under review. We'll make a decision this coming week.

jp

[usa-69z]

does anyone know who Jon would have placed my american racing wheels order with? he claims they were ordered but not paid for? this may be another untruth, but id like to call some one to check,, maybe my wheels are some where and still available? wheelpros, or american racing? its hard to find any phone contact details for any of these companys.

any one help?

Gav

[usa-69z]

yes , 'the penny pinching' comment was unwarranted ,, another 'cheerleader perhaps?

[Vegas69]

Who transfers power before the deal closes? That is the real problem.

[The WidowMaker]

guys, unless the transfer was a lie, there is NO shady business. if he took your money with the intent to close the business then i totally agree. if he planned to transfer, thought he transfered and then travis backed out it would set anyone back. do you guys really expect him not to take orders a few months from a planned transfer? how is that supposed to be smooth?

and saying jon is travis is just plain stupid at this point. multiple people have commented that they met the guy. lets give up the bs and try and stay with the facts we have.

i only speak out since i had some first hand experience with my wheel order and working with the guy in charge of actually making them. rushforth and jon had nothing to do with my delay even though jon sold me the wheels and its rushforths company. i could have called jon all day long and bitched like others do, but it wouldnt have done any good. hes not making the wheels and hes not in anything but phone contact with the guy that is. i still dont understand why so much blame gets put on these vendors for delays. if they dont send your money off and instead pocket it or screw something up its one thing, but to answer calls all day long for something thats not your fault sucks.

i too hope jon comes on here and comments. even an excuse about lawyers would be better than nothing. and until a cc comany denies a claim, no one is out anything but time and peace. well thats unless youre like me and paid to have your wheels balanced and the fronts never got done. count me as being owed 20 bucks.

I don't think you are a cheerleader. You are a TOOL

i feel for you and i really hope you get your money back, but calling him names isnt cool here. thats what makes this site the best. we should be able to have conversations with differing opinions without all the bs that other sites allow.

[69x22]

Originally Posted by rrunner68

I have deliberated about posting in this speculation/character assassination-fest, for fear of being branded a "cheerleader" of sorts, but let me put this in a different light...

Let imagine perhaps someone was trying to run a vehicle customization/retail shop as well as starting up a wheel designing brand. After trying to compete in the Walmart based world of internet car part sales, you find yourself behind, but not screwing customers over. So you decide to split the companies (no small legal feat in CA) and find a young up and comer to take over the retail portion of the business. To your knowledge the deal is going through, bank accounts are being transferred to the new parties, and the new guy is taking orders, but not filling them, and the accounts are signed over, so you have no means of tracking or accessing the monies. After weeks of the money coming in and no parts going out, the guy cleans out the accounts and backs out of the deals. You now have a huge liability, a guy that has access to all of your assets and has been stealing from your customers for the last 3 months.
So the best thing you can do is suspend your business license so he can no longer conduct business under your or your companies name, grab a moving truck and take everything that isn't bolted down and put it in your garage before it ends up on eBay or craigslist. Then hire the best lawyer that money can buy and sit back and watch the wonderful world of the Internets tear you and your livelihood asunder.

Now I'm not saying that this is what happened, but since we are all throwing out wild accusations, I figured I'd try too.

What I can state as a FACT is that in the last 4 weeks I have bought and paid for products from JON at NEWGEN WHEELS, received all products (in person) in a timely fashion, and as recently as 2 weeks ago.

What I have seen on the forums is orders placed through Travis (a real person) or Jon (on behalf of Driverz to ensure a smooth transition of his former company) that were not filled. And a bunch of rightly pissed off people with no money and no parts. File a complaint with your CC company, and good luck in your future penny-pinching endeavors.

Just a thought. I wish all parties involved the best.

I bet if you were one of the ones with $6000.00 out and no money or product you wouldn't be posting this.
I placed a order at 05:00PM on wheels for my 57, called the next morning 08:00 had Jon cancel the order, only to find out 10 days later from my credit card bill that he somehow charged it, and it was still on there. Took 2 weeks and filing a dispute with my credit card company to get my money back. When I talked to him he blamed it on the transition, then he quit taking my calls. And yes I fill lucky, I would hate to try to deal with this from Australia.