Shooting in Connecticut

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by realcoray

Indeed, but don't you think that it's a lot easier to kill 20+ people with a rapid fire high capacity gun versus a knife? Show me a knife attack anywhere in the ballpark of one of these school shootings.

Bombings are completely different in that to achieve the same effect would require a tremendous amount of work and planning, including things that could tip the police off in advance.

I see guns being valid for two reasons, hunting and self defense. I don't think you need an uzi or something for either, and I think you don't need 19+ round clips for either.

You could make a (several!) pipe bomb by getting on the internet -- going to the hardware store - one stop at Cabella's... and be at an event within an hour or two of deciding to do something like that. NOTHING would stop you (anyone). No law. No amount of law enforcement. The only hope would be that you'd mess up and blow yourself up before you could commit such a thing.

I'm not being a "gun" advocate... Not at all. In fact -- I'm not arguing GUNS at all -- I'm arguing what can be done about this kind of thing. I'm just saying that while we like to be reactionary and "do something".... I don't think there is anything anyone can do to stop this kind of stuff. In fact - I would say there is absolutely ZERO you can do.

I love the fact that you can ONLY carry on 3 ounces of 'liquid' boarding a plane. Really? So the planes that were used in 9/11 had 4 guys each on them - that's 12 ounces of 'liquid' if each got on with one 3 oz bottle... These people are crazy they don't care if they die. If they need 6 guys they'll round up 6 guys.


BTW --- I think that schools would need TWO -- officers minimum and three or 4 at larger schools. I'm not against that at all. But ONE.... one is not protection from anything. There might need to be one per entrance door. Then you'd have a fighting chance at prevention... but then I feel the "intentional person" would just move to a different venue.

[Vegas69]

It's been brought to my attention that High Schools here do have multiple armed officers. That makes it even easier to implement into elementaries and middle schools. I agree, one isn't enough. It should be based on the school size.

The truth is, most of thse variables are not going to change. The news isn't going to quit reporting negativiely, parents will continue to let there kids play war games, people won't lock up their guns, criminals will always find a way to obtain a gun. I do think education and systems could help diminish these variables over time.

Putting systems in place to protect our elementary/middle school kids is a no brainer.

[GregWeld]

Here ---- Read this --- it helps restore your faith in humanity.....



http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/momen...umanity-this-y

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I wasn't going to turn this into a gun control discussion just due to the fact that children were killed and it makes me feel selfish to add but I can't sit here without saying something. I am not trying to take away from what happened. I do not know the circumstances that lead to the killings, I do not know how this killer got his hands on these firewarms when they should be locked up by the owner, but here is how I feel.

I don't know why people keep screaming gun control after a shooting. Actually I do know why I just don't know why people forget a few weeks later. Most weapons used in these mass killings or any crimes against humanities are stolen or obtained illegally. Gun control does nothing to control illegal activity. A president was killed, a senator was shot in the head, and nothing was done about it. The cry for gun control gets loud then gets silenced by high gas prices or another media storm. I do believe something should be done but lets look deeper.

I believe we should be looking at our societies Medical and educational situation. Also our own tendency towards violence. Look back in history at how we have introduced our own children to violence. Violent cartoons of the 30's, Cowboy's / Indians place sets, GI Joe's, Whack a mole, Mortal Combat, Call of Duty and so on.....I once thought that it would not affect a persons behavior but after seeing how my younger family members and other children behave I can't help but wonder what it does to a 10 year olds moral compass. I don't think desensitizing a child to death, killing and looking into an enemy soldiers eyes as the life leaves his body is a positive thing.

I will admit, I don't have the answers but gun control is not the answer. What shall we do, confiscate every gun ever made? Stop industries from making more?
Laws can't get strickter... Lets look at the rules that I abide to.
If I am a felon or have a metal disorder, I cannot own a firearm.
I have to pass a test, FBI background check and carry a gun card.
My guns that were purchased are registered with the government
guns are to be locked up in an approved safe when at home.
guns in transit are to be locked up.
guns outside are not to be exposed and in a locked case.
I cannot travel within 1000 yards of a school while carrying.
Cannot have ammo chambered unless I am at a gun range.

I have several guns in my locked safe, carry one daily in a locked case and I have never had the thought of using it to kill anything not threatening my livelihood or family. Its is not a weapon CACHE, its a collection.

The question came up earlier...."why have a military type weapon?"
They are not a military weapons, these are civilian sporting guns and a gun is a gun no matter what configuration. Its funny, I have had a Remington hunting rifle for years and I bought and installed a black synthetic stock. I go the the range the next week and its automaticly looked at as an assult rifle.

Again, I agree this was a tragic event and it has effected us all. I have a 17 month old and I would do what ever I had to do to keep him safe but you just never know what is going to happen, all we can do is prevent and prepare.

[nicks67ca]

This is my friends family-

Six-year-old Jessica Rekos was hoping to get cowgirl boots and a cowgirl hat for Christmas. Now her family is left mourning the loss of her young life.


"Jessica loved everything about horses. She devoted her free time to watching horse movies, reading horse books, drawing horses, and writing stories about horses. We had promised her she could have her very own horse when she turned 10. She asked Santa for new cowgirl boots and a cowgirl hat. She was a creative, beautiful little girl who loved playing with her little brothers, Travis and Shane. She spent time writing in her journals, making up stories, and doing "research" on orca whales – one of her passions after seeing the movie Free Willy last year. She said her dream was to see a real orca. Thankfully her dream was realized in October when she went to SeaWorld.

Jessica was our first born. She started our family, and she was our rock. She had an answer for everything, she didn't miss a trick, and she outsmarted us every time. We called her our little CEO for the way she carefully thought out and planned everything. We can not imagine our life without her. We are mourning her loss, sharing our beautiful memories we have of her, and trying to help her brother Travis understand why he can't play with his best friend. We are devastated, and our hearts are with the other families who are grieving as we are."

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by nicks67ca

This is my friends family-

Six-year-old Jessica Rekos was hoping to get cowgirl boots and a cowgirl hat for Christmas. Now her family is left mourning the loss of her young life.


"Jessica loved everything about horses. She devoted her free time to watching horse movies, reading horse books, drawing horses, and writing stories about horses. We had promised her she could have her very own horse when she turned 10. She asked Santa for new cowgirl boots and a cowgirl hat. She was a creative, beautiful little girl who loved playing with her little brothers, Travis and Shane. She spent time writing in her journals, making up stories, and doing "research" on orca whales – one of her passions after seeing the movie Free Willy last year. She said her dream was to see a real orca. Thankfully her dream was realized in October when she went to SeaWorld.

Jessica was our first born. She started our family, and she was our rock. She had an answer for everything, she didn't miss a trick, and she outsmarted us every time. We called her our little CEO for the way she carefully thought out and planned everything. We can not imagine our life without her. We are mourning her loss, sharing our beautiful memories we have of her, and trying to help her brother Travis understand why he can't play with his best friend. We are devastated, and our hearts are with the other families who are grieving as we are."

breaks my heart nick, I broke down when I first saw the news....a young couple just learned his child was killed....the husband just dropped to his knees. I will never forget this.

[GregWeld]

I just read that Diane Feinstein wants to introduce legislation regarding "guns or multi shot magazines" etc.


I wrote to her office - even though I do not live in California - to suggest that rather than "grandstanding" -- why doesn't she work on a bill to have an armed guard at EVERY ENTRANCE to schools? In other words -- rather than just passing another useless law -- why not work to pass a law that might actually do some good?

Making laws against criminals never seems to work real well... Prohibition? Yeah that worked well.... or maybe the drug laws? That's working great for the Mexican cartels... hasn't seemed to stop the flow of drugs yet though. Last time I checked there's laws against robbing banks... I also seem to read about one daily.