Shooting in Connecticut

[RussMurco]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

If it's the weapons etc that do all these crazy atrocities... We should have a mass murder like this every single day. Why? Think about all the "ex" and current, Navy Seals... Marines... Army Special Ops guys etc that our government has trained year after year. These are some of the most lethal human beings on the planet - maybe in the universe... Personally I'd feel the safest on a bus full of them... over a bus with normal people and one "street urchin"...

As a former Marine NBC Warfare officer I appreciate the thoughts!

I responded to the other thread, "Suggestions for a home defense weapon" about the same time this event was hitting the news Friday. I will be quite candid and say that when I am out in public I scan everyone, I sit in restaurants so that I can see all those around me, and I feel I have become so used to it that it is affecting my quality of life.
I own a Sig P226, a Baretta FS92, a Colt AR15, and a few other weapons. These are the ones I mastered in the Marines, I am completely comfortable using them and pretty damn proficient with them.
That said I wish I never felt the need for them. I wish I never had to worry about being confronted by another with a gun. I wish I could feel the police would be there to protect my family. I hope I never witness carnage here like what is found on a battlefield, ever. The reality is, though, there is a chance that I will need to draw against someone as a civilian. A small chance, but a chance enough to make me carry (which I hate doing).
This country doesn't have a gun problem, we have a spiritual decay problem that has been going on for decades. The decimation of families, abortions (not starting a fight, just pointing out how cheap life has become), the dumbing-down of education, the hollowness that comes with celebrity worship, and the focus on exterior appearances have all contributed to the decay. Hollywood has a fixation on the young, the people with the least life experience and therefore the least wisdom. Even the music industry is affected, imagine the stars of the 60' & 70's being put through the "image-conscience, camera-friendly" world of todays music industry.
There is no depth in our society today, no wisdom espoused to a greater audience, no appreciation for (or knowledge of) our history and that of the world. I'm a 100% capitalist but our rampant consumerism has pushed artisans and craftsmen to the side, so little we make is of value anymore.
We have "9-11 truthers" and other people so gullible it's beyond my comprehension.
I look at my boys, 16 & 18, and I weep at the thought of the world they may end up living in. I've taught them what they need to be self-sufficient, to protect themselves, and taught them the lessons of history. I hope it serves them well when I'm not around any longer.
I also weep when I see this sort of event unfold. I avoid watching the news reporters and all their "experts" trying to "understand" what has happened, as if they could, while making the nutcase a celebrity in the process.
To be honest, I also feel an enormous amount of frustration when something like this happens and there is nobody like myself there to intervene. I have begun carrying in those "gun-free" zones as it seems this is where the shootings are most likely going to happen. Nothing is more tempting to a coward than not being a target himself.
Should I ever be present when one of these horror-events happen I will make certain that the tax-dollars spent to train me will not have been spent in vain. I'm not itching to start a fire-fight but have no problem finishing one. In the mean-time I will continue to train those in my life on how to protect themselves and others should they ever need too.
May God bless the vicitims of this, and other shootings, and may God have mercy on us all...

[Vince@Meanstreets]

could not have said it better. The Pres has a big problem on his hands but where to start.

Originally Posted by Ravenworks

As a former Marine NBC Warfare officer I appreciate the thoughts!

I responded to the other thread, "Suggestions for a home defense weapon" about the same time this event was hitting the news Friday. I will be quite candid and say that when I am out in public I scan everyone, I sit in restaurants so that I can see all those around me, and I feel I have become so used to it that it is affecting my quality of life.
I own a Sig P226, a Baretta FS92, a Colt AR15, and a few other weapons. These are the ones I mastered in the Marines, I am completely comfortable using them and pretty damn proficient with them.
That said I wish I never felt the need for them. I wish I never had to worry about being confronted by another with a gun. I wish I could feel the police would be there to protect my family. I hope I never witness carnage here like what is found on a battlefield, ever. The reality is, though, there is a chance that I will need to draw against someone as a civilian. A small chance, but a chance enough to make me carry (which I hate doing).
This country doesn't have a gun problem, we have a spiritual decay problem that has been going on for decades. The decimation of families, abortions (not starting a fight, just pointing out how cheap life has become), the dumbing-down of education, the hollowness that comes with celebrity worship, and the focus on exterior appearances have all contributed to the decay. Hollywood has a fixation on the young, the people with the least life experience and therefore the least wisdom. Even the music industry is affected, imagine the stars of the 60' & 70's being put through the "image-conscience, camera-friendly" world of todays music industry.
There is no depth in our society today, no wisdom espoused to a greater audience, no appreciation for (or knowledge of) our history and that of the world. I'm a 100% capitalist but our rampant consumerism has pushed artisans and craftsmen to the side, so little we make is of value anymore.
We have "9-11 truthers" and other people so gullible it's beyond my comprehension.
I look at my boys, 16 & 18, and I weep at the thought of the world they may end up living in. I've taught them what they need to be self-sufficient, to protect themselves, and taught them the lessons of history. I hope it serves them well when I'm not around any longer.
I also weep when I see this sort of event unfold. I avoid watching the news reporters and all their "experts" trying to "understand" what has happened, as if they could, while making the nutcase a celebrity in the process.
To be honest, I also feel an enormous amount of frustration when something like this happens and there is nobody like myself there to intervene. I have begun carrying in those "gun-free" zones as it seems this is where the shootings are most likely going to happen. Nothing is more tempting to a coward than not being a target himself.
Should I ever be present when one of these horror-events happen I will make certain that the tax-dollars spent to train me will not have been spent in vain. I'm not itching to start a fire-fight but have no problem finishing one. In the mean-time I will continue to train those in my life on how to protect themselves and others should they ever need too.
May God bless the vicitims of this, and other shootings, and may God have mercy on us all...

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab

could not have said it better. The Pres has a big problem on his hands but where to start.

+1

Ravenworks - Thank you Sir.

[intocarss]

Originally Posted by Ravenworks

As a former Marine NBC Warfare officer I appreciate the thoughts!

I responded to the other thread, "Suggestions for a home defense weapon" about the same time this event was hitting the news Friday. I will be quite candid and say that when I am out in public I scan everyone, I sit in restaurants so that I can see all those around me, and I feel I have become so used to it that it is affecting my quality of life.
I own a Sig P226, a Baretta FS92, a Colt AR15, and a few other weapons. These are the ones I mastered in the Marines, I am completely comfortable using them and pretty damn proficient with them.
That said I wish I never felt the need for them. I wish I never had to worry about being confronted by another with a gun. I wish I could feel the police would be there to protect my family. I hope I never witness carnage here like what is found on a battlefield, ever. The reality is, though, there is a chance that I will need to draw against someone as a civilian. A small chance, but a chance enough to make me carry (which I hate doing).
This country doesn't have a gun problem, we have a spiritual decay problem that has been going on for decades. The decimation of families, abortions (not starting a fight, just pointing out how cheap life has become), the dumbing-down of education, the hollowness that comes with celebrity worship, and the focus on exterior appearances have all contributed to the decay. Hollywood has a fixation on the young, the people with the least life experience and therefore the least wisdom. Even the music industry is affected, imagine the stars of the 60' & 70's being put through the "image-conscience, camera-friendly" world of todays music industry.
There is no depth in our society today, no wisdom espoused to a greater audience, no appreciation for (or knowledge of) our history and that of the world. I'm a 100% capitalist but our rampant consumerism has pushed artisans and craftsmen to the side, so little we make is of value anymore.
We have "9-11 truthers" and other people so gullible it's beyond my comprehension.
I look at my boys, 16 & 18, and I weep at the thought of the world they may end up living in. I've taught them what they need to be self-sufficient, to protect themselves, and taught them the lessons of history. I hope it serves them well when I'm not around any longer.
I also weep when I see this sort of event unfold. I avoid watching the news reporters and all their "experts" trying to "understand" what has happened, as if they could, while making the nutcase a celebrity in the process.
To be honest, I also feel an enormous amount of frustration when something like this happens and there is nobody like myself there to intervene. I have begun carrying in those "gun-free" zones as it seems this is where the shootings are most likely going to happen. Nothing is more tempting to a coward than not being a target himself.
Should I ever be present when one of these horror-events happen I will make certain that the tax-dollars spent to train me will not have been spent in vain. I'm not itching to start a fire-fight but have no problem finishing one. In the mean-time I will continue to train those in my life on how to protect themselves and others should they ever need too.
May God bless the vicitims of this, and other shootings, and may God have mercy on us all...

110% and Thank you

[Shmoov69]

Originally Posted by Ravenworks

As a former Marine NBC Warfare officer I appreciate the thoughts!

This country doesn't have a gun problem, we have a spiritual decay problem that has been going on for decades. The decimation of families, abortions (not starting a fight, just pointing out how cheap life has become), the dumbing-down of education, the hollowness that comes with celebrity worship, and the focus on exterior appearances have all contributed to the decay. Hollywood has a fixation on the young, the people with the least life experience and therefore the least wisdom. Even the music industry is affected, imagine the stars of the 60' & 70's being put through the "image-conscience, camera-friendly" world of todays music industry.
There is no depth in our society today, no wisdom espoused to a greater audience, no appreciation for (or knowledge of) our history and that of the world. I'm a 100% capitalist but our rampant consumerism has pushed artisans and craftsmen to the side, so little we make is of value anymore.
We have "9-11 truthers" and other people so gullible it's beyond my comprehension.
I look at my boys, 16 & 18, and I weep at the thought of the world they may end up living in. I've taught them what they need to be self-sufficient, to protect themselves, and taught them the lessons of history. I hope it serves them well when I'm not around any longer.
I also weep when I see this sort of event unfold. I avoid watching the news reporters and all their "experts" trying to "understand" what has happened, as if they could, while making the nutcase a celebrity in the process.
To be honest, I also feel an enormous amount of frustration when something like this happens and there is nobody like myself there to intervene. I have begun carrying in those "gun-free" zones as it seems this is where the shootings are most likely going to happen. Nothing is more tempting to a coward than not being a target himself.
Should I ever be present when one of these horror-events happen I will make certain that the tax-dollars spent to train me will not have been spent in vain. I'm not itching to start a fire-fight but have no problem finishing one. In the mean-time I will continue to train those in my life on how to protect themselves and others should they ever need too.
May God bless the vicitims of this, and other shootings, and may God have mercy on us all...

First off, THANK YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR YOUR SERVICE!!

And secondly, you are absolutely correct on the "problem", it IS a spiritual problem.

[GregWeld]

Found this in an article today... about a kid that had "plans" to attack his school.



I thought it interesting that there was a quote from a legislator....


Some Oklahoma lawmakers, reacting to the Connecticut shooting, called Monday for allowing teachers and school administrators to carry firearms on school campuses.

Rep. Mark McCullough, R-Sapulpa, said he is working on a bill that would allow teachers and school administrators to receive firearms training through the Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training, which would authorize them to carry weapons at school and at school events.

"It scares me that a madman could come into my children's school and kill my children," said McCullough, who has two boys, ages 7 and 9. "We need to harden these targets, harden these facilities with simple, common-sense steps.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Some states already have carry able teachers. I have mixed feelings about this. Like unarmed guards in a prison wing. You hate to see it but the chances for a bad guy to get his hands on it is high too.

I hope they get Magpul combat training and be able to hold a carry license.

[GregWeld]

An interesting bunch of statistics on guns in this country:




http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news...n-america?lite

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

An interesting bunch of statistics on guns in this country:




http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news...n-america?lite

the 1993 Brady Act prohibits the establishment of any electronic registry of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions.

.........maybe a little insight to the brilliance of the people establishing regulations to guide our society.

Interesting data. If the US restricted only cheap Asian imports I imagine it would have a major impact on the total number of weapons. I see no need to sell junk weapons at Walmart pricing thus affordable to everyone. That alone would be one effective gun control measure.

[GregWeld]

I'd still argue that controlling "guns" isn't going to solve the problem... when we can't control the PEOPLE that wield them.

When you read the first couple of lines in that article --- there's more guns in the USA than there are people! So it seems to me to be an already impossible task to put controls on something where you really have no control.

I do agree that there's a reason we aren't all allowed to have machine guns... and that high powered semi-automatics with huge magazines are a "problem" - but given the millions of these things in circulation (I own 3 myself!) how do we go about keeping them out of the wrong hands? There's so many ways to get hold of these and no registration or laws etc are going to affect someone bent on killing innocent people.

I still think it's a knee jerk, reactionary, feel good, kind of thinking that doesn't solve anything.

One of my police buddies stopped last night - he'd been to Wades (a shooting range/gun store) and every semi-auto AR 15 style rifle they had was sold out as of Monday morning. Why? Because people fear they'll be banned.... OMG!! So because of this talk -- they'll sell millions more!! Now what good has that done and what has it solved?

You know -- the funny thing is -- I'm not even a gun fan! But I have CC permits in two states -- have a safe (burglary and fire safe!) where they are stored (and the ammo and the magazines!). Is that because I'm afraid for my life? No -- I'm afraid they'd get into the wrong hands! So I do everything I can to keep them safe.

I read a statistic this week that said 60% of Americans own guns... 60%! Holy cow. My guess is that about 10% are hunters.