Shooting in Connecticut

[hifi875]

There are just bad poeple in this world also. Unfortunately there is no real way to stop these things from happening. i'm not saying do nothing, but poeple will find a way to kill poeple, be it with a gun or a knife or fertilizer.
There are no simple answers.

[realcoray]

Originally Posted by hifi875

There are just bad poeple in this world also. Unfortunately there is no real way to stop these things from happening. i'm not saying do nothing, but poeple will find a way to kill poeple, be it with a gun or a knife or fertilizer.
There are no simple answers.

This is true but such a flimsy position. How many massacres with knives are we seeing? How many teenagers are going to put together a bomb that does anything like this?

As far as the number of guns going up and crime going down, I didn't even mention that because I don't see how it's relevant. Your belief Greg is apparently that because the number of guns has risen, the volume of gun crime has dropped.

I doubt anyone could prove that, and I can offer quite a few other possible reasons. Let's see, longer minimum sentences mean that repeat offenders are in jail and thus not on the street to shoot people. More law enforcement means less crime, or at least people are caught earlier and therefore go to jail on those minimum sentences and so forth.

I agree 100% with the title of the article. Gun control offers no cure-all. You can't ban assault rifles and high capacity clips and think it will go away, but as part of a comprehensive approach to combating violence like the shooting.

[hifi875]

lets see there was one in china last friday(knife i believe). the columbine idiots had made home made bombs. WTH is flimsy.

[nicks67ca]

Originally Posted by hifi875

lets see there was one in china last friday(knife i believe).

Don't forget that the difference is all 22 of those children are going home.

[hifi875]

i didnt mean to sound insensitive. Its just a subject with no definitive answers. The media is just going on and on about it, sensationalizing the whole story and thinking they can find the answer to how and why. Then the politicians use it as a platform and say something must be done. But they don't know what to do either.

[realcoray]

Originally Posted by hifi875

lets see there was one in china last friday(knife i believe). the columbine idiots had made home made bombs. WTH is flimsy.

And how many people died because of those two things?

Oh that's right, zero!

Someone could make a bomb that could kill way more people than a gun. The worst school massacre was done with a bomb, but that's the thing, since then over the last 100 years it's a lot more difficult to get your hands on explosives, and it's just generally a lot more work to do similar damage.

The colorado guy had a bomb or something akin to it, if it was so efficient why did he leave it where he lived, instead of just driving a car bomb to the theatre?

I'm not saying ban guns, I'm saying that people generally accept that the second amendment doesn't say you can bear any arms in particular, like oh an automatic weapon, a RPG, or a nuclear bomb. I think it's reasonable as one facet of an overall approach to say maybe we shouldn't sell armor piercing bullets to just whomever, or high capacity clips, or high powered assault rifles.

It will NOT fix the problem tomorrow, I mean the gun used in this shooting was banned, but grandfathered in, but nothing will fix it immediately.

[hifi875]

Originally Posted by realcoray

And how many people died because of those two things?

Oh that's right, zero!

Someone could make a bomb that could kill way more people than a gun. The worst school massacre was done with a bomb, but that's the thing, since then over the last 100 years it's a lot more difficult to get your hands on explosives, and it's just generally a lot more work to do similar damage.

The colorado guy had a bomb or something akin to it, if it was so efficient why did he leave it where he lived, instead of just driving a car bomb to the theatre?

I'm not saying ban guns, I'm saying that people generally accept that the second amendment doesn't say you can bear any arms in particular, like oh an automatic weapon, a RPG, or a nuclear bomb. I think it's reasonable as one facet of an overall approach to say maybe we shouldn't sell armor piercing bullets to just whomever, or high capacity clips, or high powered assault rifles.

It will NOT fix the problem tomorrow, I mean the gun used in this shooting was banned, but grandfathered in, but nothing will fix it immediately.

He wasn't a teenager, but timothy mcveigh, lets see, he killed 168 poeple including alot of children 19 to be exact.

[realcoray]

Originally Posted by hifi875

He wasn't a teenager, but timothy mcveigh, lets see, he killed 168 poeple including alot of children 19 to be exact.

He sure did and it was a tragedy, but you cannot say that because there are OTHER ways to kill lots of people, we just shouldn't even bother trying to control ANY of the ways.

This is akin to saying that since you can kill 168 people via a fertilizer bomb, we should just not bother regulating sarin gas, because if you regulate sarin gas, then that crazy person will just use explosives.

Originally Posted by The Patch

Wrong! 60 million.

Are you saying we should emulate China?

Correct! It WILL make things far worse. It WILL set the stage for an American Mao.

The things you want to ban ensure we will not have an American Mao.

You are hilarious but I'm not even sure what you're saying here. I'm pretty sure that re-enacting a ban that was in place for many years and didn't end up causing catastrophe is probably not going to do much towards whatever it is you're rambling on about here.

[hifi875]

Originally Posted by realcoray

He sure did and it was a tragedy, but you cannot say that because there are OTHER ways to kill lots of people, we just shouldn't even bother trying to control ANY of the ways.

This is akin to saying that since you can kill 168 people via a fertilizer bomb, we should just not bother regulating sarin gas, because if you regulate sarin gas, then that crazy person will just use explosives.



You are hilarious but I'm not even sure what you're saying here. I'm pretty sure that re-enacting a ban that was in place for many years and didn't end up causing catastrophe is probably not going to do much towards whatever it is you're rambling on about here.

There are already gun laws in place. its funny, in cities where there is a ban on guns(chicago, d.c.) the murder rate is the highest.

[Bryan O]

Originally Posted by realcoray

Oh that's right, zero!

Wrong! 60 million.

Are you saying we should emulate China?

I think it's reasonable as one facet of an overall approach to say maybe we shouldn't sell armor piercing bullets to just whomever, or high capacity clips, or high powered assault rifles.

It will NOT fix the problem tomorrow, I mean the gun used in this shooting was banned, but grandfathered in, but nothing will fix it immediately.

Correct! It WILL make things far worse. It WILL set the stage for an American Mao.

The things you want to ban ensure we will not have an American Mao.