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Old 04-22-2013, 07:17 PM
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Just one more measurement if you can...

On the outside of the base, the distance from the bottom to the lip where the shaker attaches. I think from the WFO pictures that this is where he gets the actual drop from.

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Old 04-22-2013, 07:50 PM
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That is 1 3/4 in

Let me know if you need anything else..

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Just one more measurement if you can...

On the outside of the base, the distance from the bottom to the lip where the shaker attaches. I think from the WFO pictures that this is where he gets the actual drop from.

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Kevin,

That is what I needed! Thanx!

Unfortunately, the WFO base doesn't drop quite as much as I had hoped. Given your two measurements, the shaker ring is 3/8" higher than the carb base. I was hoping it would actually be at the same height, or preferably even lower...

On my current setup, the shaker ring is 1" higher than the carb base, and I had hoped to get that down to even, if not even lower.

From an old email that I received from PTFB, their dimension from the carb base to the bottom (your first measurement) is 2", but their side height (second measurement) is minimum of 2.5" (they have 3 different heights available). So their setup puts the shaker right about 1/8" higher than the WFO.

It almost sounds like I need to buy the PTFB and cut 1/2 - 3/4" out of it to reposition the shaker ring down to where I need it to be. Since it has more drop, I will have more clearance on the air cleaner to shaker at the top side this way...

Thanx again for the help, I'll update here once i figure out the right solution!
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Kevin,

One more question. Looking at the bottom of your WFO, what are all of those nuts or screws I see? It almost looks like it's 2 or 3 pieces that are attached in some way. I'm wondering if I could disassemble it and modify it in some way? Hmm...
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They are just sheetmetal screws.. It looks like it could be taken apart

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One more question. Looking at the bottom of your WFO, what are all of those nuts or screws I see? It almost looks like it's 2 or 3 pieces that are attached in some way. I'm wondering if I could disassemble it and modify it in some way? Hmm...
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Default Road blocks abound...

So when last I wrote, Kevin was graciously attempting to help me with my shaker issue. Since that time, Eric and I have seemingly hit road block after road block trying to get this car to the point of taking a first test drive. It's not anyone's fault, it's just the nature of tying up loose ends...

I'll split these posts up so as not to write a novel!

First, on the shaker... I've now purchased 3 different shaker bases to try and find one that will work on my car, or at least one that we could easily modify to work. The WFO wasn't even close... The drop just wasn't nearly enough, and even if we dropped it more, the side wall height wasn't tall enough to raise the shaker enough. So that one was ruled out quickly (I had already taken the chance and ordered it, so that ones on me).

Next I ordered the PTFB 2" tall unit. This one drops 2" from the carb flange, then the side height is 2", bringing it basically back level at the shaker ring mount. This one was low enough, but we discovered that the filter is too tall inside this unit, and it hits my early-style shaker. I could perhaps get a shorter filter, but I'm already worried about having enough airflow through this thing.

So I called PTFB back up and ordered the 2.5" tall unit. With this one, we were able to position the shaker where we needed it height-wise! When we did, we realized that we needed to angle it relative to the carb flange for it to sit better relative to the hood (the original Pontiac intake manifold was milled at an angle to handle this under the carb). Thankfully the PTFB base had enough material to allow us to angle grind the ring where it sits on the throttle body to achieve the angle we needed.

But the next issue (which I also knew we had) was that the engine sits closer to the firewall, so the shaker was touching the hood opening when we closed the hood. So Eric cut out the base and moved the base 3/4" foreward relative to the throttle body. This puts the filter really close to the side wall of the shaker base in the back, but gets the shaker where we needed it.

Once done, the next problem is the opening between the shaker itself and the filter lid. There's maybe 3/8" opening all the way around the lid to the shaker! There's no way that's going to be enough air to feed this engine. After much deliberation, we decided that we had to cut holes into the shaker base. Unfortunately, there's not a good way to do this with a dimple die, so we just cut round holes. 25 of them to be exact, spaced at 2" around the circumference. That will pull in air from the engine compartment, but hot air is better than no air at all.

I had also decided to try using one of the K&N X-Stream filter lids. I've read mixed opinions on them, but again, non-optimal air flow is better than no air flow. :\ Unfortunately, after I overnighted one to test it last night, I discovered tonight that it's not going to fit. It hits the shaker base AND the shaker. Just not going to work...

In the end, I've come to the conclusion that I will probably have to remove the shaker and use a standard air filter for track events when I care about making max power. I just don't think there's going to be enough available air flow otherwise. However, what I will do is try all of the different combinations on a chassis dyno to see what the difference between them is.

So after all of that, here is a picture of the final product. I'm taking it to be powder coated tomorrow to clean is up. I haven't decided on the color yet, but it will be black or grey...



And the hood/shaker:



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Old 05-07-2013, 09:27 PM
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As part of trying to get the height of the shaker base down far enough to clear the hood, I was told a while back that Accel makes a throttle body that is about 1/4" shorter than the unit which I have. While I wasn't excited about shelling out the $$$ for another TB when I have a perfectly workable one, I needed the 1/4". Especially after moving up to the 2.5" height shaker base.

Then the problem became finding one. I called Accel directly, and they are out of stock for 3 - 4 weeks! They gave me a couple of dealer names, but they also were out. Then I randomly decided to check on Amazon. Sure enough, one was listed as in-stock. I emailed the vendor, and he said they have one. So I ordered it.

It arrived, and I was all excited, until Eric informed me that the IAC plastic housing was broken. The box had been dropped, apparently right onto the IAC, and it shattered the plastic. It wasn't usable. Sigh...

So I called Accel to ask about a possible replacement, and the tech support guy (who acted like he could care less about helping me) gave me a part # for the replacement. When I looked it up on Summit, it's a completely different style of part. It's a screw in unit, and this one attaches with 2 screws. Great...

Eric then went hunting, and he somehow found one that matched based on a picture found on Google! Isn't the internet awesome?! It was listed as a Mercruiser part, and was pretty pricey. So in parallel, I contacted the seller of the TB. Turns out this was the only one they had in stock, so they too were out for 3 - 4 weeks. Ugh!

Long story shorter, Eric found the IAC was also used in several GM applications, and sure enough, the local O'Reilly's AutoParts store had one in stock! $65 later, we had a replacement to solve this problem.

This was a lot of trouble to go through to save 1/4" in shaker height! We have worked HARD to have a functional shaker on this car!!!
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