Your views on guns.

[garickman]

Originally Posted by Spiffav8

Screw it...

No not anyone can own a gun legally. Morons like you don't seem to get that or want to believe it. Nor do all lawfully purchased firearms end up the hands of criminals at some point. You obviously spend way to much time watching the news and believing whatever they tell you. Read a book and educate your self on something and stop being sheep. Seriously why should a good person, who has no criminal record ever be stopped from owning anything they have earned? Are the good people responsible enough?

You don't support the 2nd amendment, which is obvious by your statement and I'm betting your the type that say's "it's for hunting". Stop trying to be the in between, none confrontational type. Pick a side and please stay off of mine. Trying reading the book "The 5000 year leap". Perhaps it will shed some light on how our country is designed and why. Follow up with "Still the Best Hope". Perhaps you'll learn why you, you're mind set and those like you are so messed up and flat out stupid. You and those like you, cause more problems than you will ever solve.

Don't like criminals having guns? How about supporting harsh laws that actually punish criminals? We spend more money on taking care of criminals than we should. Whatever happened to a speedy trial and a fair punishment? This means voting people into office who will do what's right and that means YOU have to be involved, holding your elected officials feet to the fire. Way to many people are uninvolved and figure someone else will take care of it while they doing nothing but complain about it. Try giving a **** and while you're at it, stop expecting someone else to resolve you're problems. How about you take responsibility for your own actions. Don't count on anyone or anything except your self. Have a little pride and while your at it, teach your children the same lesson and the importance of them passing it along to their children. It's called Integrity and Morals. Or are you going to pout and be the type that needs a trophy for every little league thing in life he signed up for?

Way to many people have the 'what's in it for me' attitude these days. They refuse to believe they are anything but victims and want someone to take care of them in one way or another...or in every way for that matter. "The Government" isn't the answer. It's been shown time and time again that many of our elected officials break the very laws they vote for. Do you honestly believe that they are looking out for you and are the best group to decided who can and can't have a gun...or anything else? The gun ranges and classes in my area are in crazy high demand now a days. More than ever people are learning to be better with and better at using their firearm. Bad apples? You demonize gun owns the way you put it, but the truth is that far more people are seeking education on the subject than you care to believe. Why? Because they are tired of a system that doesn't deliver. To many changes have been made...just to make change and everyone, except the scumbags, are getting taken advantage of. People are starting to realize that they need to be more self sufficient and protect what's theirs.

Did you ever stop to think that IF the amount of crime was low that people wouldn't feel the need to arm themselves in order to be protected? Sure would be nice to get back to the days when you didn't have to lock your doors, but that's not reality anymore. Don't blame those who own guns for being the problem. That's just stupid. Blame those who have created laws and a system that has breed dead beats, criminals, moochers. Blame those who cry victim at every turn. Blame those who are uninvolved.

Stop casting stones and don't be sheep. It's called REALITY!

The great gun debate can and will go on forever. It is one of the most heated and polarizing topics in the Nation. It always has been and always will be. There are no easy answers and no easy solutions, but you are seriously out of line with this post. If it was written be anyone other than a moderator it would have been deleted and the thread locked. Just because someone does not agree with your views they are a moron? The man said he supports the Constitution but somehow you can tell from his seven written sentences that he does not support the 2nd Amendment. SuperSport is right there are far to many idiots who "legally" own guns. You have the nerve to tell this guy to go read some books so he can learn how stupid he is!!! I've got a good read for you. Why don't you calm down and re-read your own post. If you have the INTEGRITY and MORALS you speak of, than perhaps your next post should be an apology to SuperSport. You have the audacity to tell this man to "stop casting stones" when you yourself threw every stone you could gather. You are either the world's biggest hypocrite or the world's best psychiatrist because for you to be able to tell every thing about a man's character in seven sentences is amazing. We all share different views, and most of us have the ability to accept that sometimes we must agree to disagree. It's a little thing called RESPECT, something you failed to mention.

Hey Curtis, not everyone is going to agree with you, not everyone is going to see what you see. It doesn't make them a moron and it doesn't make them stupid. It just makes it REALITY!!!!

[Spiffav8]

Originally Posted by garickman

The great gun debate can and will go on forever. It is one of the most heated and polarizing topics in the Nation. It always has been and always will be. There are no easy answers and no easy solutions, but you are seriously out of line with this post. If it was written be anyone other than a moderator it would have been deleted and the thread locked. Just because someone does not agree with your views they are a moron? The man said he supports the Constitution but somehow you can tell from his seven written sentences that he does not support the 2nd Amendment. SuperSport is right there are far to many idiots who "legally" own guns. You have the nerve to tell this guy to go read some books so he can learn how stupid he is!!! I've got a good read for you. Why don't you calm down and re-read your own post. If you have the INTEGRITY and MORALS you speak of, than perhaps your next post should be an apology to SuperSport. You have the audacity to tell this man to "stop casting stones" when you yourself threw every stone you could gather. You are either the world's biggest hypocrite or the world's best psychiatrist because for you to be able to tell every thing about a man's character in seven sentences is amazing. We all share different views, and most of us have the ability to accept that sometimes we must agree to disagree. It's a little thing called RESPECT, something you failed to mention.

Hey Curtis, not everyone is going to agree with you, not everyone is going to see what you see. It doesn't make them a moron and it doesn't make them stupid. It just makes it REALITY!!!!

The great gun debate doesn't need to go on for ever, but sadly to many people want to tell everyone else how they should live their lives. Problem is that it's GOOD people who are being attacked by people who have good intentions. The attackers (and yes that's how I view them) are seriously miss guided in their views of what the cause of the problems is and in how to solve it. The true lack of respect comes into play when they are proven to be wrong and lash out in anger and try to make supporters look stupid. There are easy answers, but no one wants to seriously talk about them. Doing so would open a huge can of worms and it would prove that the way things have been setup (by them) has failed.

The man claims to support the constitution yet posts this link http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...-shooting?lite as proof that to many idiots legally own guns. In the article it says that this has been happening for years and is usually aimed at one person. Ummm...that's a gang related, criminal act. Which means ILLEGAL guns. Bottom line is, this isn't new News. It's only become more popular to show/print as the debate has heated up. If Supersport supports the constitution as he claims, then he should be able to see that. IF he supports the constitution then he should be angry that it's being unfairly attacked by people who don't understand it. His view is one of those who takes the media headlines as 100% truth and forms his opinion after reading the ticker or hearing a two minute story/debate. IF he supported the constitution he would educate himself on the matter and become involved. Do I expect him to have the exact same view as me? No. However, I do expect him to do more than spout off comments like that. There are to many idiots allowed to drive (probably far more than those who own guns) and yet no one is saying crap about that. Yeah...it's that simple. And just so you know....I am and will always be the first one to call the idiot with a gun out and help correct his ways. I've gone after two very good friends and I wasn't nice about it. They both have taken classes and are now safe, responsible shooters/gun owners. Do I like making my friends feel like children? No, but I care enough to be involved and to help them. If more people where active in their community, things would be very different. My point? If you want a positive change, become involved!!

I figured someone would throw the Moderator card. Hey, I am still a member here and YES, I can be moderated. I have not crossed the line, though I have walked right up to it. Not the normal kind of posting you see from me...is it.

Supersport is casting stones and adding fuel to the fire. It was done in a very casual way for sure. So either he's attacking and trying to be the friendly guy about it, or he's uneducated on the subject. The later would make anyone a moron in my opinion. I simply cast those stones back and I wasn't all P.C. about it. I will not write an apology to Supersport. I stand behind my post and I will continue to view him as I do (on this subject) until he does something to show me otherwise. Don't take that to mean that I think he is a bad person, or that I would do harm to him. He's welcome into my home, like any other Lateral-G member. We have a difference of opinion and as heated as that may get, I will not view him as a bad person. A start would be to post up some statisticians (that are backed up and legit) that show how Idiot owned Legal guns are are causing the problem or contributing to it. Making a statement and then posting something that is unrelated (other than it has guns in it's content) isn't helping.

If someone want's respect then they should know better than to open their mouth and spew garbage they know nothing about and can't back up. I don't expect everyone to have the same view as me and no person who is educated on a subject is stupid or a moron. If a person is looking for meaningful discussion on a subject or to learn I will always throw my full support behind that....regardless of what their view is in the end.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

yeah!! plus the Republic of California rules!!

[SuperSport]

Originally Posted by Spiffav8

If Supersport supports the constitution as he claims, then he should be able to see that. IF he supports the constitution then he should be angry that it's being unfairly attacked by people who don't understand it. His view is one of those who takes the media headlines as 100% truth and forms his opinion after reading the ticker or hearing a two minute story/debate. IF he supported the constitution he would educate himself on the matter and become involved. Do I expect him to have the exact same view as me? No. However, I do expect him to do more than spout off comments like that.

O.k. this is good.
Let me ask you this, is there a gun problem in America?
When Americans get killed every day do you think that is an o.k. thing, a non issue? Or do you believe only people in South American countries get killed?
Believe me our politicians are coming for your weapons. Americans like sheep wil be more than happy to turn them in when this happens.
I was talking with a gun owner at work and asked him if the president asked him to turn in his guns or face fines or jail time, he answered he would turn them in. I was laughing.

[SuperSport]

Gun owners think EVERYONE should own guns (I know not felons or people with mental issues).
Gun control people think no one should own weapons.

Its black or white.

I apologize for being neither and grey.

But stay tuned it will happen. At least I am not afraid to say we Americans have an issue that needs attention for the safety of all Americans. Sandy Hook or someone losing their baby should never happen in this country.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by SuperSport

Gun owners think EVERYONE should own guns (I know not felons or people with mental issues).
Gun control people think no one should own weapons.

Its black or white.

I apologize for being neither and grey.

But stay tuned it will happen. At least I am not afraid to say we Americans have an issue that needs attention for the safety of all Americans. Sandy Hook or someone losing their baby should never happen in this country.

I believe this too, but its going to take people control. A sick person made this happen. A sick person that by law should not have been able to own a firearm.

In 2008 I witnessed many non gun enthusiast buying up guns just due to the Obama craze. Some of these are the people that should worry about. Many of the will not take ownership seriously. Im willing to bet most of those guns are loaded and sitting behind a door or is a sock drawer.

The anti's seriously believe that if they remove all the guns, crimes involving guns will stop. The logic is not there.

[force-fed-snake]

I'm not only a gun owner, but I hold an FFL, I turn down buyers all the time... simply because I dont think they should own a firearm. granted I'm "small time" gun smith/dealer.... and every sale is a big deal to the bottom line... BUT its my duty... not as a responsible dealer.... but as a human to do my part if I don't think someone should own a firearm. I do have (and use) the right to refuse service to anybody

I fall into the gray area too... where just because somebody can legally own a weapon.... doesnt really mean they should

I see the bigger problem being everyone trying to fix a system with a one size fits all patch.... and that simply is not the how system works. I dont have all the answers.. I can only simply do what I can do. I dont see the system changing anytime soon.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by force-fed-snake

I'm not only a gun owner, but I hold an FFL, I turn down buyers all the time... simply because I dont think they should own a firearm. granted I'm "small time" gun smith/dealer.... and every sale is a big deal to the bottom line... BUT its my duty... not as a responsible dealer.... but as a human to do my part if I don't think someone should own a firearm. I do have (and use) the right to refuse service to anybody

I fall into the gray area too... where just because somebody can legally own a weapon.... doesnt really mean they should

I see the bigger problem being everyone trying to fix a system with a one size fits all patch.... and that simply is not the how system works. I dont have all the answers.. I can only simply do what I can do. I dont see the system changing anytime soon.

so you are taking it upon yourself to infringe on a possible legal purchaser the right to own a gun? interesting. Is this based on racial profiling or gut feeling?

[force-fed-snake]

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab

so you are taking it upon yourself to infringe on a possible legal purchaser the right to own a gun? interesting. Is this based on racial profiling or gut feeling?

im not taking away anybody's "right" to own a gun.... I am unaware of any law that says I have to sell to somebody simply because its legal for them to own it.

the point was more that as a gun supporter, I dont think that EVERYBODY legally capable of owning firearms..... should.

I dont have anymore to add to this disscussion.

[Spiffav8]

Originally Posted by force-fed-snake

I'm not only a gun owner, but I hold an FFL, I turn down buyers all the time... simply because I dont think they should own a firearm. granted I'm "small time" gun smith/dealer.... and every sale is a big deal to the bottom line... BUT its my duty... not as a responsible dealer.... but as a human to do my part if I don't think someone should own a firearm. I do have (and use) the right to refuse service to anybody

I fall into the gray area too... where just because somebody can legally own a weapon.... doesnt really mean they should

I see the bigger problem being everyone trying to fix a system with a one size fits all patch.... and that simply is not the how system works. I dont have all the answers.. I can only simply do what I can do. I dont see the system changing anytime soon.

Bravo! I take your statement not as the Racist thing as others have stated, but as that of a responsible person. If more people took an interest in being responsible we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

I applaud you for realizing that firearm ownership isn't for you. It's not for everyone.

You are 100% spot on. There is no one size fits all there. America, God Love her is complicated. Not infringing on the good citizens rights, while solving issues is a delicate balance.