1970-81 DSE Frame "Extras"

[badazz81z28]

Originally Posted by Musclerodz

DSE headers only work if you use the setback mounts. Otherwise you will have to source headers. A number of guys are running the Ultimate Headers. Very nice piece. They are not full length but no clearance issues. Dont remember what trans your running but if it is a 6 speed get the ATS crossmember from Speedtech.

This one?

http://www.speedtechperformance.com/...rod/prd259.htm

[68LS1]

Originally Posted by badazz81z28

This one?

http://www.speedtechperformance.com/...rod/prd259.htm

My understanding is that you need a 1st Gen crossmember. The DSE subframe rails are same for 1st & 2nd gen.

I'm yet to test fit my engine & trans.

[TonyHuntimer]

Originally Posted by 68LS1

My understanding is that you need a 1st Gen crossmember. The DSE subframe rails are same for 1st & 2nd gen.

I'm yet to test fit my engine & trans.

Roger,

Are you upgrading to a DSE? Do they offer right-hand drive?

Tony Huntimer

[Ben@SpeedTech]

Hey Tony We've got a right hand drive system for a 1st gen. We've sent a bunch to Australia.

Musclerodz- Have you compared the two? We've had a 1st gen DSE subframe car come through the shop and the 1st Gen ATS cross member fit great. We haven't had a 2nd gen DSE subframe come through the shop though, so you've got our attention. What makes a 1st Gen ATS mount fit better than a 2nd gen ATS mount on the DSE frame?

Thanks for any insight you can share.

[Musclerodz]

Originally Posted by Ben@SpeedTech

Hey Tony We've got a right hand drive system for a 1st gen. We've sent a bunch to Australia.

Musclerodz- Have you compared the two? We've had a 1st gen DSE subframe car come through the shop and the 1st Gen ATS cross member fit great. We haven't had a 2nd gen DSE subframe come through the shop though, so you've got our attention. What makes a 1st Gen ATS mount fit better than a 2nd gen ATS mount on the DSE frame?

Thanks for any insight you can share.

I was told by DSE they designed their second gen sub to use a first gen crossmember. I have not personally compared the two crossmembers. I have had both subs here but the second gen install we did was an auto and it was 3 years ago, I have slept since then unfortunately.

[68LS1]

Originally Posted by Ben@SpeedTech

Hey Tony We've got a right hand drive system for a 1st gen. We've sent a bunch to Australia.

Musclerodz- Have you compared the two? We've had a 1st gen DSE subframe car come through the shop and the 1st Gen ATS cross member fit great. We haven't had a 2nd gen DSE subframe come through the shop though, so you've got our attention. What makes a 1st Gen ATS mount fit better than a 2nd gen ATS mount on the DSE frame?

Thanks for any insight you can share.

Hi Ben
From what I understand, the DSE hydro formed frame rails are same, for first & second gen, crossmember & body mounts are different. Getting firm info from DSE was more difficult than I am used to from them, very non committal.
This means a second gen trans xmember won't work as the stock subframe mounting is further back. You guys would understand differences best between first & second gen trans xmember mounting points.
I have a first gen trans xmember from Hurst Drivelines coming which I ordered with transmission, will look at fit and compare with the ATS one I have in my 68.
Regards Roger

[badazz81z28]

Originally Posted by 68LS1

Hi Ben
From what I understand, the DSE hydro formed frame rails are same, for first & second gen, crossmember & body mounts are different. Getting firm info from DSE was more difficult than I am used to from them, very non committal.
This means a second gen trans xmember won't work as the stock subframe mounting is further back. You guys would understand differences best between first & second gen trans xmember mounting points.
I have a first gen trans xmember from Hurst Drivelines coming which I ordered with transmission, will look at fit and compare with the ATS one I have in my 68.
Regards Roger

I'm ready to buy my crossmember as soon as we figure this out

[Smittys67]

Buying the sub frame at the big box store saved you some money. But you got 0 info. You can buy headers from Ultimate Headers they fit and are like $1200ish depending on finish. I know they fit I have fit them.

P.s you have to buy them through a dealer.

[68LS1]

Originally Posted by TonyHuntimer

Roger,

Are you upgrading to a DSE? Do they offer right-hand drive?

Tony Huntimer

Hi Tony, hope you are well

This is for my new 70 Camaro project

The 68 is staying as is for awhile

Cheers Roger

[Musclerodz]

Originally Posted by badazz81z28

This one?

http://www.speedtechperformance.com/...rod/prd259.htm

You will need the first gen one.