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Old 11-11-2015, 09:21 AM
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Bring on the Unlimited class!! The more I look at the Dusold Camaro the more I know that these builds need a place to run. Tube chassis, full cage, twin turbo LS7...who wouldn't want to see that run?

As long as they can complete the road portion and show that they're legal in their home state they should be able to run. Look at the draw that the ProMod "streetcars" bring at Drag Week.....trickle down engineering
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Old 11-11-2015, 10:27 AM
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Bring on the Unlimited class!! The more I look at the Dusold Camaro the more I know that these builds need a place to run. Tube chassis, full cage, twin turbo LS7...who wouldn't want to see that run?

As long as they can complete the road portion and show that they're legal in their home state they should be able to run. Look at the draw that the ProMod "streetcars" bring at Drag Week.....trickle down engineering
I like it and do away with exhibition as well. Let those drivers play in Unlimited. But the real question is... where do you draw the line between what is an unlimited and isnt? Maybe call it the "Ultimate" class and it be the only class to run for the Ultimate Streetcar title. Many of these cars we consider "race cars" will move there on their own just to have a shot at the title.
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Old 11-11-2015, 12:54 PM
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I like it and do away with exhibition as well. Let those drivers play in Unlimited. But the real question is... where do you draw the line between what is an unlimited and isnt? Maybe call it the "Ultimate" class and it be the only class to run for the Ultimate Streetcar title. Many of these cars we consider "race cars" will move there on their own just to have a shot at the title.
Minimum weight 3000#
Licensed and registered
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Stock WB and maybe original "style" panels
That's it, anything goes! Frickin CanAm street cars!

It's the direction people are going anyways, why not embrace it instead of saying they can't run.
That's it, I'm writing a letter.


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Minimum weight 3000#
Licensed and registered
200TW
Stock WB and maybe original "style" panels
That's it, anything goes! Frickin CanAm street cars!

It's the direction people are going anyways, why not embrace it instead of saying they can't run.
That's it, I'm writing a letter.


Dear Jimi,

Here we go again - another rule. What's with this 3000# minimum?

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Old 11-11-2015, 02:04 PM
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Here we go again - another rule. What's with this 3000# minimum?

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My stripped out Mustang weighs 2975 with me in it..... and it's as far from a "street car" as you could get. LOL My Lotus 2 11 - which is street legal in Europe -- 1470 #'s... OUT!

So I'm out!


The new one I'm toying with 2500 #'s with me in it.... Out again.


It's okay -- gives me good excuses to not have to show my lousy driving skills.
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My stripped out Mustang weighs 2975 with me in it..... and it's as far from a "street car" as you could get. LOL My Lotus 2 11 - which is street legal in Europe -- 1470 #'s... OUT!

So I'm out!


The new one I'm toying with 2500 #'s with me in it.... Out again.


It's okay -- gives me good excuses to not have to show my lousy driving skills.
3 in and out burgers and some rivals and your back in buddy!!
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3 in and out burgers and some rivals and your back in buddy!!





Might have to add a couple chocolate shakes and some Animal fries..... oh - and wipers and headlights and signals.... Oh! And...... would it be okay if I ran a Euro plate??? LOL Do you think I could get away with rebadging this as an EVO??

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Old 11-11-2015, 01:01 PM
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This post comes from a guy (in case some don't already know ) with about 3 years experience in this part of the hobby, who drives what he thinks is a Vintage Muscle car, and has been very active in helping to create the CAM classes in the SCCA as well as participate in a few USCA qualifying events.

The SCCA and the USCA (my car is too new for Good Guys) have their work cut out for them coming up with ways to keep putting on quality events that create enough of a fun\dollar ratio to keep the registrations full. Their success so far shows they are up to the task. I really like that the SCCA and USCA are working together to create like kind classes for our types of cars to run in, I hope they also work together to work around each other's schedules to allow entrants to continue to attend events in both series easily.

Some of the most fun I've had as an entrant at these types of events were at events that I'm certain lost money and were considered unsuccessful, and some of least fun events I've participated in were probably considered successful by those that put it on. I'm not sure there is a good answer for this.

All I know is I am personally going to continue to pick and choose the events I attend based solely on the expected fun vs dollar cost ratio. This is why I declined the invitation that I earned to the 2015 OUSCI...I just couldn't see the fun\dollar ratio (for me personally) being anywhere near the point I have to have it to enjoy myself. Certainly there are many others out there that are able to put that ratio into their happy window. The rules, classes, point structure, ability to compete fairly and win all come secondary for this participant...they count...and are looked at when deciding where to go, but the fun factor will continue to be my priority. Distance to travel to an event is a major factor in this. The USCA seems to have forgotten the Midwest Region a little bit this year and I'm sure there are reasons for that...hopefully in future years they'll find ways to come back this way.


Regarding classes and rules, both the SCCA and USCA are tip toeing around a line that is very hard to discern (race car vs street car) and everyone seems to have their own opinion on where that line should be...when in fact that line is in a different spot for just about everyone of us. I can speak from experience that making the masses happy when dealing with that line while at the same time putting on events that are economically sustainable and fun for the entrants (and the spectators or possible future entrants) is a near impossible feat. Someone is bound to get butt hurt if they take it too seriously no matter where that line is.
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Old 11-11-2015, 01:30 PM
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This thread had me thinking about the USCI and how the GTV cars stacked up against each other. So I parsed the results just for fun. As I've already said fun and seat time are more imporatant to me than all out competition. There are 32 (out of 84 total) pre 1990 cars listed on the USCI results page. Of those 17 managed to score points.

Excluding the road ralley and design & engineering here is how those 17 cars stack up against eachother. Note I didn't separate the GTL cars from the pre 1990 cars so this includes both.

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