WELD/SUTTON DIRT MISSILE build

[Vegas69]

That's good to hear! It's just a pile of bolts in the grand scheme...

Make the best of it my friend!

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Vegas69

That's good to hear! It's just a pile of bolts in the grand scheme...

Make the best of it my friend!

I've said that about many many projects --- They can all be fixed. I'm in a bit of a hurry... perhaps... and all know why. Makes all of this all the more painful. I've got plenty of skills plenty of money plenty of friends willing to jump in and help....

The car is in Cali --- my friends are all over the world.... it takes TIME to make sh!t happen.... and then it's WINTER..... and perhaps a season thrown away. For me --- winter --- skipping possible dates --- fussing with fixes --- is all a giant drain on my energy and at any moment -- that hour glass can be empty and there's not a dang thing I can do about it.

In the meantime --- I'm working on fixes and who's going to do what..... it ain't over til the fat man drives this POS and it all works as advertised.

[Rmt]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

MAYBE....... but I'm hearing from people that know more and have had nothing but issues with this particular design.....

In the meantime --- I'm working on fixes and who's going to do what..... it ain't over til the fat man drives this POS and it all works as advertised.

Hopefully you'll continue to update this thread, as solutions are reached for the various issues.
e.g., I got a Peterson dirt late model oil tank, to try to deal with the projected venting problem: http://www.petersonfluidsys.com/drys...ecial-DLM.html

This thread is a goldmine of information for the rest of us with trackwarrior projects.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Rmt

Hopefully you'll continue to update this thread, as solutions are reached for the various issues.
e.g., I got a Peterson dirt late model oil tank, to try to deal with the projected venting problem: http://www.petersonfluidsys.com/drys...ecial-DLM.html

This thread is a goldmine of information for the rest of us with trackwarrior projects.

I will for sure my friend! You know -- I've got nothing else to do but blab with my friends all day --- and we'll learn together -- what I know - you'll all know. It's how roll. LOL I'm not the wizard behind the curtain -- I'm like the dumb tin man and the heartless lion.... and we're going to take care of this in the end

[preston]

>MAYBE....... but I'm hearing from people that know more and have had nothing but issues with this particular design.

Curious about this. I learned more practical knowledge reading Ron's threads on here in 1 week than I learned in 15 years of reading books/internet and building myself.

So I drank the kool-aid hard. But I had a reasonably positive experience with Ron Fall 2016. I ordered a suspension design workup. He told me up front it would take a while so I waited and he did deliver after a few months, and then I had some changes and he did an update for me fairly quickly. This was a workup using his basic philosophy but somewhat constrained as I was adapting it to an existing chassis. When I could get him on the phone he was very very helpful. And every part I ordered showed up fairly quickly, although I didn't order anything too exotic or custom (I built or sourced those myself because I am impatient and experienced). So overall It was somewhat positive, but after 20 years at this hobby I'm also very attuned to certain subtle and not so subtle red flags, so I was glad I wasn't too dependent on him.

The car drove better than ever when I was done but I 've been burnt out for some time and I sold it before it saw serious track time (I need to write that thread).

However I still feel like his suspension design and philosophy make total sense so I'm very curious if others dont' feel the same way. Dusold certainly seems to have had success with his design.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by preston

Curious about this. I learned more practical knowledge reading Ron's threads on here in 1 week than I learned in 15 years of reading books/internet and building myself.

So I drank the kool-aid hard. But I had a reasonably positive experience with Ron Fall 2016. I ordered a suspension design workup. He told me up front it would take a while so I waited and he did deliver after a few months, and then I had some changes and he did an update for me fairly quickly. This was a workup using his basic philosophy but somewhat constrained as I was adapting it to an existing chassis. When I could get him on the phone he was very very helpful. And every part I ordered showed up fairly quickly, although I didn't order anything too exotic or custom (I built or sourced those myself because I am impatient and experienced). So overall It was somewhat positive, but after 20 years at this hobby I'm also very attuned to certain subtle and not so subtle red flags, so I was glad I wasn't too dependent on him.

The car drove better than ever when I was done but I 've been burnt out for some time and I sold it before it saw serious track time (I need to write that thread).

However I still feel like his suspension design and philosophy make total sense so I'm very curious if others dont' feel the same way. Dusold certainly seems to have had success with his design.

NO --- MIKE DID EVERYTHING OVER AFTER TWO COMPLETE FAILURES.... I've been texting and on the phone with Mike just today over it. We're also cancer buddies..... He has nothing "Sutton" on his car. When he said he would tell about it -- Sutton threatened to sue him. So they agreed to go their separate ways.

ME -- I say HEY SUTTON -- you know where I am --- SUE ME ASSWIPE..... I'll own your house!

[GregWeld]

In fairness to GOOD SUPPLIERS --- Sutton designed some pretty cool stuff --- and people like SpeedTech and others have had great success with it -- but they build, and design, and test their stuff!!

I'm only taking issue with RON SUTTON RACE TECHNOLOGIES as a supplier and answer man. And only AFTER so many people shared their stories did I decide to go public.

If you want a bad ass high tech sub ---- The SpeedTech stuff seems to be absolutely outstanding. I wish now I'd insisted THEY build my car. I can assure you I would have been a very happy man right now. I should have stood my ground when I had the chance.

[Rmt]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

NO --- MIKE DID EVERYTHING OVER AFTER TWO COMPLETE FAILURES....

What failed on Mikes design?

The suspension did work great on your beast, yes?


Full disclosure:
I purchased a “Full Frame, Suspension & Cage Design Package + TRS & Brakes”,
on 4-30-2014.
I have experienced poor communication at times,
Wrong (non fitting) parts, and long delays.
But—
Ron has always been up-front about being slow on reply’s and deliveries,
aways came up with solutions as problems came up,
and made good on issues with parts.
Yes, it’s taken a long time,
To the point I lost interest in the project for some time.
I still feel Ron’s knowledge, and ability to produce a great handling chassis, out of the box, to be a great value (for me).

But my situation is very different,
I have far more time than money.
I just paid for a design (and expected a few bugs),
not a turn-key product, within a guaranteed time-frame.