Dirt Missile rebuild begins

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by akrapovic

Wow. Car looks and sounds great! I'm guessing you answered this in a previous post but what made you give the previous builder a shot?

I’m not sure I understand your question. Speedtech Performance wasn’t the “previous builder” — they were my original choice to build the car - as they were listed as one of three builders in the catalog.... but Sutton was offering so little $$ to do the work and they weren’t willing to do it for that — and frankly — more importantly they didn’t have the time at that time.....

I don’t think Sutton EVER wanted anyone other than HIS chosen builder (his buddy Randy at One Off Customs)..... and purposely lowballed the amount he was willing to pay a real shop — knowing they’d turn it down.

I’ve been friends with Speedtech (Blake - Jay and Roger) for a very long time... I know them - I trust them - they do great work - they’re racers - fabricators - car builders - and gearheads. I knew they could fix the pile of crap that Sutton had built - so BINGO - that’s where the car went.

Hope that answers the question?

[GregWeld]

This was nothing more than 4 laps — thank you OPTIMA — to see if the car will run and turn - Jay Weir was short shifting and just generally breaking in the Hoosiers and seeing if brakes work etc. So super slow and careful — but still fun to see and hear the reborn POS.

[fleet]

“Beauty from ashes”

[akrapovic]

Your post answered my question. I have several parts from speedtech and found them to be excellent. I had never heard of sutton. Glad to hear the car went to a qualified builder.

Originally Posted by GregWeld

I’m not sure I understand your question. Speedtech Performance wasn’t the “previous builder” — they were my original choice to build the car - as they were listed as one of three builders in the catalog.... but Sutton was offering so little $$ to do the work and they weren’t willing to do it for that — and frankly — more importantly they didn’t have the time at that time.....

I don’t think Sutton EVER wanted anyone other than HIS chosen builder (his buddy Randy at One Off Customs)..... and purposely lowballed the amount he was willing to pay a real shop — knowing they’d turn it down.

I’ve been friends with Speedtech (Blake - Jay and Roger) for a very long time... I know them - I trust them - they do great work - they’re racers - fabricators - car builders - and gearheads. I knew they could fix the pile of crap that Sutton had built - so BINGO - that’s where the car went.

Hope that answers the question?

[ur-n-8]

I know nothing about sequential gear box's. So does it blip the throttle when down shifting or does it just go in? From the sound in the video I can't tell.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by ur-n-8

I know nothing about sequential gear box's. So does it blip the throttle when down shifting or does it just go in? From the sound in the video I can't tell.

There is programmable “auto blip” — in the Holley system — or you can add (as we did) the auto blip box (easier). In fact — after the test drive - we discussed the auto blip needs to be “more” — and that’s all just programming.

Mostly what you’re trying to accomplish is to “unload” the gearbox..... Same thing I do with my Jerico in the ‘65 - it’s just a momentary “lift” of the throttle... to unload it and she slides right in. It’s a super fast movement and doesn’t involve the clutch at all on upshifts.... but with a Jerico, I do heel and toe and use the clutch on downshifts. Some guys don’t but I found it upset the car (probably crappy driving on my part) so I use the clutch.

[TheJDMan]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

There is programmable “auto blip” — in the Holley system — or you can add (as we did) the auto blip box (easier). In fact — after the test drive - we discussed the auto blip needs to be “more” — and that’s all just programming.

Mostly what you’re trying to accomplish is to “unload” the gearbox..... Same thing I do with my Jerico in the ‘65 - it’s just a momentary “lift” of the throttle... to unload it and she slides right in. It’s a super fast movement and doesn’t involve the clutch at all on upshifts.... but with a Jerico, I do heel and toe and use the clutch on downshifts. Some guys don’t but I found it upset the car (probably crappy driving on my part) so I use the clutch.

Greg,
Can you give a bit more information on the "auto blip box" is that a separate add on device? Is that the one sold by Tractive Technology out of Phoenix?

[gofastwclass]

Thanks for the video Greg and Blake.

[CJD Automotive]

Originally Posted by TheJDMan

Greg,
Can you give a bit more information on the "auto blip box" is that a separate add on device? Is that the one sold by Tractive Technology out of Phoenix?

It's using a Xineering box, http://www.xineering.com.

Another example of Sutton having no clue what he was doing and simply spending Greg's money, because he could.
It's an excellent system, but not necessary as the Holley Dominator can be programmed to do the same thing...they just didn't know how.

[Blake Foster]

Originally Posted by CJD Automotive

It's using a Xineering box, http://www.xineering.com.

Another example of Sutton having no clue what he was doing and simply spending Greg's money, because he could.
It's an excellent system, but not necessary as the Holley Dominator can be programmed to do the same thing...they just didn't know how.

Just to add to this, yes the Holley CAN be programmed to do the job. BUT we had Brian Macy here for the dyno and it is not possible to cut the ignition power to the coils on the Holley (his words), apparently. You would need to do it with timing or the throttle blade. which is not as fast. We discussed using the blip module in conjunction with the Holley to make the engine smoother especially on the down shift as it does really need to have the fuel trimmed down at that point to reduce the backfire and popping. Brian felt the blip box is the best option.

The blip box is adjustable, Taking to David from PPG tranmissions (who build the T56) you can adjust the time delay both up and down shift and that is something we did not mess with yet, we have the newest software version and are looking at it and what it can do. there are 3 different systems that all need to work together the Holley the Autometer dash and the Blip Box. so it will take some time and laps to get it all in sync for sure.

We added alot of accessories to the car engine transmission and diff coolers all with thermostats. the engine uses a inline manual stat and the trans and diff have temp senders in them that switch on a Tilton circ pump to pump it to the coolers. no need to circ it 100% of the time, that is all controlled by the Holley the power steering cooler is just in line and 100%

We will have another track /day practice /set up and will likely have Brian and Max (from Xineering) as he has offered to come and help with the set up, it is a team effort to get all the systems operating at their peak.

Hope that explains a couple things