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Old 04-19-2020, 05:43 AM
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Really informative answer, thanks for sharing.

I'm a casual lurker with a neglected Meanstreet build, who also happens to be the CEO of a laboratory-grown diamond company. If you're not aware, diamond is ~5x more thermally conductive than aluminum or copper, and there are many applications of lab diamonds as a heat spreader in satellites, lasers, 5G cell towers, etc.

Lab diamond heat spreaders really won't help a PT build, but DLC might be of interest to you.

Have you looked into DLC (diamond like carbon) coating any of your moving parts? Either professionally or with your builds? It's a fairly substantial coefficient of friction reduction versus metal on metal and might be of benefit to reduce the overall heat generated in your various systems.

Also, have you looked into Laminova heat exchangers? I'm a supplier to Koenigsegg and I know they have had great success with Laminova HEs:
http://www.laminova.se/products/oil-coolers

Lastly, to your point about driver and use case, I have a three-pedal 702rwhp 2nd Gen CTS-V. Upgraded HE for the blower, but OEM cooling otherwise. I'd overheat it halfway through my first flying lap of a HPDE, but the car does phenomenal in 2-3-4-3-2-3-2-3-4-3 driving in the twistys in the Santa Cruz mountains where I am traction and deer/wild turkey/road bicycle limited.

If you were a part of the CTS-V development, thanks for your work- it's a phenomenal car.

Thanks for the post. Sorry I have not tried any of your coatings.

Yes I was part of HPVO (High Performace Vehicle Operations) when the CTSVs were being developed. Great cars!

Dave Mikels who sometime posts on here was also on the team and developed the system that keeps that car from Power Hopping.

Added is me driving a Pre-production car at Summit Point. Good times!




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Can you diamond coat differential gears to make them quiet ?
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Thanks for the post. Sorry I have not tried any of your coatings.

Yes I was part of HPVO (High Performace Vehicle Operations) when the CTSVs were being developed. Great cars!

Dave Mikels who sometime posts on here was also on the team and developed the system that keeps that car from Power Hopping.

Added is me driving a Pre-production car at Summit Point. Good times!




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Just want to say thanks for the wealth of info that you share with your builds. I'm currently redoing my 1960 Impala hardtop and your clutch geometry explanation has been a god send. I actually had a used 4th gen pedal assembly from a T56 I bought to copy and I made a firewall bracket like the detriot speed.
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Also thank you for helping develop one of the the best American sedans ever built. They kinda have a soft place in my I owned a gen 1, moved to a gen 2, then things got out of hand...
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Dave Mikels who sometime posts on here was also on the team and developed the system that keeps that car from Power Hopping.
For those interested.... One of the most challenging engineering projects I have had in my professional career.

BTW - FCA pays GM for every Hello-Kitty and the other performance cars in their line up to utilize this patent on their vehicles.

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And FCA still screwed it up from what I've seen ... grenaded rear ends and such
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Thanks for sharing Mark and Mike. It's these kind of systems projects that make for very difficult yet rewarding challenges. Nicely done fellas.

There is so much talk about how easy it is to make 800-1000hp, but to make it live reliably on-track then drive it home is a whole different monster than 1/4-mile at a time or short blips on the street.

Mike, I'd love to hear about your project sometime....
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Thank you for the informative post Mark. I have followed your builds and paid particular attention to cooling for track durability.

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Mercury Racing SB4 - running this C&R radiator (link below)with the 13 plate EOC and PSC. Added an Accusump, remote therm and filter into the circuit which should bring some added cooling capacity with volume and oil starvation insurance. Also larger remote PS reservoir. The MR ECU controls the fans. Vaporworx for PWM fuel delivery. I will have to watch for any radiator failures as I did not isolate(floating) the mounting as you have.

Added trans cooler with T56 internal pump. Diff gears are REM treated but no cooler thus far. We'll see how it does. Will monitor every temp with a Motec dash logger.



Q: Is the C&R radiator with integrated PSC and EOC the same capacity/specs on the 'Mark Stielow spec' or different?

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Sorry I have not tried any of your coatings.
To be clear, I sell custom made-to-order jewelry with man made diamonds, I don't offer DLC coatings. Was just simply sharing a complimentary tech to my work that may be of interest to folks here to reduce the BTUs you need to shed from your systems by reducing friction.

Here's a paper from Honda F1 claming they deduced friction in the transmission by 3.3kW with DLC:
http://www.f1-forecast.com/pdf/F1-Fi...F1-SP2_43e.pdf

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Can you diamond coat differential gears to make them quiet ?
Honestly, I'm not sure. The coating is only a few microns thick, and I think the proper setup of the ring and pinion is far more important than a lower friction coating of the gears.
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Thank you for the informative post Mark. I have followed your builds and paid particular attention to cooling for track durability.

Background:

Mercury Racing SB4 - running this C&R radiator (link below)with the 13 plate EOC and PSC. Added an Accusump, remote therm and filter into the circuit which should bring some added cooling capacity with volume and oil starvation insurance. Also larger remote PS reservoir. The MR ECU controls the fans. Vaporworx for PWM fuel delivery. I will have to watch for any radiator failures as I did not isolate(floating) the mounting as you have.

Added trans cooler with T56 internal pump. Diff gears are REM treated but no cooler thus far. We'll see how it does. Will monitor every temp with a Motec dash logger.



Q: Is the C&R radiator with integrated PSC and EOC the same capacity/specs on the 'Mark Stielow spec' or different?

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I would be guessing looking at the photo. Call Phil at C&R he can tell you for sure. Great guy.

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I would be guessing looking at the photo. Call Phil at C&R he can tell you for sure. Great guy.

Mark
I spoke with Phil...as you said great guy with a wealth of information. Basic summary is very similar capacity in cooling for the EOC and PSC although quite different in shape and size but your radiator capacity is a bit larger which you were probably aware. The PS cooler is the same one used in Nascar btw.
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