Project 'Grip'- 69 Camaro

[Nativefx]

You mentioned this picture was at the "suggested" ride height. Can you tell me what that is or where you got the info? Is it a specific measurement somewhere?

I got my wheels in and I'm trying to get camber set close to -0.5 to -1.0 as suggested so i can see what kind of work I might need to do to inner/outer fenders.

thanks (sorry couldn't figure out how to copy the picture you had attached for reference)

Originally Posted by Stovebolter

This is at suggested ride height.

[Stovebolter]

Originally Posted by Nativefx

You mentioned this picture was at the "suggested" ride height. Can you tell me what that is or where you got the info? Is it a specific measurement somewhere?

I got my wheels in and I'm trying to get camber set close to -0.5 to -1.0 as suggested so i can see what kind of work I might need to do to inner/outer fenders.

thanks (sorry couldn't figure out how to copy the picture you had attached for reference)

I can't remember what it was off hand right now. I got the info from Ridetech. You would think that info would be in the instructions as it is vital to set-up. The measurement is from top of coil over top mount point to bottom of coil over mount point, which is just over the half way point of total travel.

For the front, on my car with 1" drop spindles, it placed the front body line at roughly 24 1/4" to the ground. I built a 1" rake into the car so the back body line is at 25 1//4". But if I were you I would call them as they may have changed things up a little and using my body line measurements would not be very accurate.

David

[Nativefx]

Originally Posted by Stovebolter

I can't remember what it was off hand right now. I got the info from Ridetech. You would think that info would be in the instructions as it is vital to set-up. The measurement is from top of coil over top mount point to bottom of coil over mount point, which is just over the half way point of total travel.

For the front, on my car with 1" drop spindles, it placed the front body line at roughly 24 1/4" to the ground. I built a 1" rake into the car so the back body line is at 25 1//4". But if I were you I would call them as they may have changed things up a little and using my body line measurements would not be very accurate.

David

Thanks David. In the instructions for the front they only indicate setting ride height at about 50%-60% of suspension travel. I'm trying to get my camber set close to -0.5 at ride height to see what mods I need to do to both inner/outer fenders. As we haven't finished the body work and paint on the fenders they are not currently on the car so I was hoping I'd at least be able to get an idea where to measure other than fender line. Maybe I'll set on ground at full height, measure and then do same at lowest height to get an approximate height to shoot for around 50%. I should then at least be able to see how much work to inner fender I need to do and whether I need to roll outer only, or possible do slight trimming.

You mentioned you went with -1.5 camber, +6 caster, and I think +1/8 toe and it was recommended by Rod. How is your tire wear with that setup? It seems that would be more for autocross rather than street. Any thoughts or changes you are considering?

thanks, Jake

[Stovebolter]

Originally Posted by Nativefx

Thanks David. In the instructions for the front they only indicate setting ride height at about 50%-60% of suspension travel. I'm trying to get my camber set close to -0.5 at ride height to see what mods I need to do to both inner/outer fenders. As we haven't finished the body work and paint on the fenders they are not currently on the car so I was hoping I'd at least be able to get an idea where to measure other than fender line. Maybe I'll set on ground at full height, measure and then do same at lowest height to get an approximate height to shoot for around 50%. I should then at least be able to see how much work to inner fender I need to do and whether I need to roll outer only, or possible do slight trimming.

You mentioned you went with -1.5 camber, +6 caster, and I think +1/8 toe and it was recommended by Rod. How is your tire wear with that setup? It seems that would be more for autocross rather than street. Any thoughts or changes you are considering

thanks, Jake

Yes that should be a Track/AutoX start setup I imagine. I haven't driven mine that much yet. Maybe 500 miles. I will move mine back to a street setting this spring. What would I change? Nothing really. I do want to move my subframe forward more. I think mine was probably way back when the guy I bought it from welded in the subframe connectors. I'll also be pulling the subframe out, re welding the factory welds. Also plan on adding something like Global Wests forward bars, of my own design. I do wish I had the new cross shafts which come in the new kits that allow easy caster adjustments via offset slugs, but there's no way in Hates I'll buy something from them that should've came in my kit. The adjustable cross shafts were out prior to my order. Aggrevating! Lol. Which is why I'm coming up with something different from Ridetech's system on my air ride controls.

David

[Stovebolter]

Jake,

Below is the email conversion about setting ride height per Josh at Ridetech. But again you better make sure they haven't changed their shocks. They may have added more stroke to the shock.

"Hey David,

Thanks alot, we appreciate it!

On the front, your shock, from eye to stud mount (the hole in the pocket) will be 12.75"~. On the rear, from center to center on the mounting bolts will be right around 14.5". That is where the shocks will have their best ride quality/performance.

I will have to check on the engine mounts, I know we used the Holley oil pan, but for some reason I'm thinking we used a GM style engine mount.

Thanks,

Josh"

Originally Posted by Nativefx

You mentioned this picture was at the "suggested" ride height. Can you tell me what that is or where you got the info? Is it a specific measurement somewhere?

I got my wheels in and I'm trying to get camber set close to -0.5 to -1.0 as suggested so i can see what kind of work I might need to do to inner/outer fenders.

thanks (sorry couldn't figure out how to copy the picture you had attached for reference)

[Nativefx]

Originally Posted by Stovebolter

Jake,

Below is the email conversion about setting ride height per Josh at Ridetech. But again you better make sure they haven't changed their shocks. They may have added more stroke to the shock.

"Hey David,

Thanks alot, we appreciate it!

On the front, your shock, from eye to stud mount (the hole in the pocket) will be 12.75"~. On the rear, from center to center on the mounting bolts will be right around 14.5". That is where the shocks will have their best ride quality/performance.

I will have to check on the engine mounts, I know we used the Holley oil pan, but for some reason I'm thinking we used a GM style engine mount.

Thanks,

Josh"

thanks David. Yes I have the newer version with the caster slugs. They only send you one set, which is supposed to be in the centered position. Instructions have a contradiction as one place says it has +2 caster and another place it says it is +3 caster. If you want additional caster you can order new aluminum slugs.

I'll have to figure out how to measure the 12.75" as you can't really put a tape measure down from the hole mount due to the inflated airbag. I should be able to at least get in a reasonable distance to start fitting the inner fender and figuring out how I want to modify.

[Nativefx]

Originally Posted by Stovebolter

I centered the tire and ended up with roughly a 1/4" of clearance on both sides of the tires......inside and outside.

Hey David, you don't happen to have any pictures looking up to see the clearance you have between the rear tire sidewall and the outer fender and inner fender do you? We pulled my stock rear end and I'm trying to get my WMS to WMS measurement to get a shortened rear end. I have plenty of room inside, but I'm trying to figure out how far outward I can position the wheels without rubbing. I don't like it when they are set too far in, especially on a 69 as the fender flares outward and it makes it look like the tire is already set back inside the fender.

thanks, Jake

[Stovebolter]

Originally Posted by Nativefx

Hey David, you don't happen to have any pictures looking up to see the clearance you have between the rear tire sidewall and the outer fender and inner fender do you? We pulled my stock rear end and I'm trying to get my WMS to WMS measurement to get a shortened rear end. I have plenty of room inside, but I'm trying to figure out how far outward I can position the wheels without rubbing. I don't like it when they are set too far in, especially on a 69 as the fender flares outward and it makes it look like the tire is already set back inside the fender.

thanks, Jake

Jake,

I sure don't. I've never had it high enough to get pictures of the underside. You might check with Payton King or one of the other guys. I use to have some good pictures of Dead Cat but I've must have lost them or deleted them. I can say that 18X12s with a 6" bs and a rear with a 55.5" wms to wms worked for me. My rear is actually 54" wms to wms but I am using 3/4" spacers on both sides to keep the spindle under the center caps on the wheels. Me rear is a floater. The only alternative for me would've been to add that 3/4" to each wheel center thickness when they were made.

David

[Nativefx]

Originally Posted by Stovebolter

Jake,

I sure don't. I've never had it high enough to get pictures of the underside. You might check with Payton King or one of the other guys. I use to have some good pictures of Dead Cat but I've must have lost them or deleted them. I can say that 18X12s with a 6" bs and a rear with a 55.5" wms to wms worked for me. My rear is actually 54" wms to wms but I am using 3/4" spacers on both sides to keep the spindle under the center caps on the wheels. Me rear is a floater. The only alternative for me would've been to add that 3/4" to each wheel center thickness when they were made.

David

Hi David, I was just looking for something similar to this.
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I'm just trying to figure out how close to the outside fender I can get without rubbing not only during driving but also when setting the AirRide completely down as I noticed the inner rear fender actually bulges in ward a little before going up and curving over.

Based on your 55.5" WMS to WMS (including spacers) and your 12" wheel widths and 6" BS, it should measure outside to outside of the tires very much the same as my rough measurements I got last night in my first attempt to measure my WMS to WMS. I came up with roughly 54.5" but my wheels are 11.5" wide and have a 5" BS. The spacing between the outside fender lip is the pic I attached above.

I'm measuring out to get a shortened rear end built and I'm also planning on going with a floater. I have more than enough room on the inside fender to inner wheel as its probably closer to 1 1/2" there. I'm just trying to set them as far out to the outside as possible so they don't look set in to the wheel well too far.

[Stovebolter]

Originally Posted by Nativefx

Hi David, I was just looking for something similar to this.
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I'm just trying to figure out how close to the outside fender I can get without rubbing not only during driving but also when setting the AirRide completely down as I noticed the inner rear fender actually bulges in ward a little before going up and curving over.

Based on your 55.5" WMS to WMS (including spacers) and your 12" wheel widths and 6" BS, it should measure outside to outside of the tires very much the same as my rough measurements I got last night in my first attempt to measure my WMS to WMS. I came up with roughly 54.5" but my wheels are 11.5" wide and have a 5" BS. The spacing between the outside fender lip is the pic I attached above.

I'm measuring out to get a shortened rear end built and I'm also planning on going with a floater. I have more than enough room on the inside fender to inner wheel as its probably closer to 1 1/2" there. I'm just trying to set them as far out to the outside as possible so they don't look set in to the wheel well too far.

Looks like you did a better job rolling your lip in than the previous owner did on mine. I'll correct that later, no rubbing so far. I took a picture early this a.m. for you. With the rolled lip the distance is 1" to the face of tire