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Old 12-20-2012, 08:32 PM
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The best gun control this country could ever have is a legal system that in the eye's of the offenders actually punishes in a manner that they find undesirable. Until then we will continue to fund over-crowded overly expensive "correctional" institutions.

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Old 12-20-2012, 10:31 PM
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The good people can't defend theirselves against the bad people, and unfortunately the bad people are tied into the police in a lot of cities. I was there two weeks ago and talk to people about every other week that actually live there... And NOT in a vacation spot, in REAL Mexico!! Heck, the day before I was there one of the family members got held up/robbed outside their front door to their house by 3 teenage thugs with guns (that are outlawed BTW)... The house I was at!! And 5 people were hanging from the bridge going into Saltillo, and actually that's not too uncommon. The only people that have guns are the police/federalies and the bad guys/cartel, which in a lot of instances are one in the same!



The old sentiment "when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns" is really pretty correct. Law abiding citizens would turn in their guns dutifully following the law of the land... Outlaws would probably not, since they don't follow the laws to begin with. Totally human nature IMHO.
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Penn Jillette tells the truth on daytime TV

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Penn Jillette tells the truth on daytime TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=ZYnnNrzCjkc#!
Those 3 women are perfect examples of about 90% of our society. I would love to hear Penn's off air commentary.


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A lot of people - given the circumstances - and sitting with those three -- would have just "padded" their comments and gone along with these three.

I'm listening to the NRA conference speech now... and I'm actually agreeing with him. He's saying "why are these killer games okay"? Why do we have armed guards at banks -- but not at schools. Our money is more important than our schools?

I'm not an NRA guy - but the speech is good common sense.
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I'm not an NRA guy - but the speech is good common sense.
I haven't been much of an NRA fan myself over the past 15-20 years. Too extreme in many ways which I perceive as detrimental to their cause.

In this case I felt their position while aggressive was appropriate and they put their money where the mouth is with a ready to implement plan that calls for immediate action. There is no doubt in my mind that their plan would have positive effects and our schools would become a less desirable target in the shooters planning process.

IMO - You will never stop people from committing these atrocities but you can implement measures that will redirect them to other gun free zones or targets of low resistance.

One has to wonder - if the media gave next to zero publicity to these shooters - how many would just end their internal battle by shooting themselves in seclusion?
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first off Jerry watches Wendy???? WTF.... LOL

Just one thing....as bad as it maybe 310 million guns in the US, 350 million people, 57% of the homes in the US are armed and only 11 incedents of mass killings in the US since 1965. I'd like to see the total death count.


By their logic if gun kill people then we are in trouble. They have some catching up to do.
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I haven't been much of an NRA fan myself over the past 15-20 years. Too extreme in many ways which I perceive as detrimental to their cause.

In this case I felt their position while aggressive was appropriate and they put their money where the mouth is with a ready to implement plan that calls for immediate action. There is no doubt in my mind that their plan would have positive effects and our schools would become a less desirable target in the shooters planning process.

IMO - You will never stop people from committing these atrocities but you can implement measures that will redirect them to other gun free zones or targets of low resistance.

One has to wonder - if the media gave next to zero publicity to these shooters - how many would just end their internal battle by shooting themselves in seclusion?
3 days ago they were calling for it. Facebook poll had Armed teachers at 82%. I wish the NRA would just sit down with lawmakers and find a solution instead of building a gauntlet of lawyers making ready for an attack. They are doing the same and the anti-gunners, putting effort and funds towards a non solution.
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"why are these killer games okay"?
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Just sharing my thoughts on this GW, not agreeing or dis-agreeing.

Definately some games are all about gore, death, shooting mindlessly. They actually check IDs to buy these games, but 8-10 year old kids are still playing them because their parents allow it. P-A-R-E-N-T-S. Kids are spending more hours in front of the video babysitter (at home, in front of their parents) than they are in school. It's the game's fault? We need to outlaw the GAME?

The school shooter was old enough to purchase whatever video game he wanted and was old enough to decide how much time to spend in front of it. The last time I checked, there are no video games about assaults on schools. There are no FPS (first person shooters) games that I have seen against non-combatants period. In fact, the few that I've played myself would fail, deduct, penalize, whatever if you involved a non-combatant. The shooter targeted innocent children specifically. He wanted the least resistance with the most emotional damage. This was not learned from any game.

Lots of blame for inanimate objects. A particular game, a certain gun, not enough rules, laws. This evil was done by a man (a f'ing nutjob), not because he was autistic, not provoked by a video game or made easier by a particular weapon. There is no answer for it, there is no reason for it. Demanding something be done just out of frustration and fear is not the path.


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HUGHSON, Calif. —Marine Sgt. Craig Pusley was on duty Wednesday. Desert camo fatigues, knees slightly bent, the young father stood a self-imposed watch at Hughson Elementary School.

One man. No rifle. No pay. No breaks.

"When I enlisted, I swore to defend this country from all enemies, foreign and domestic," said Pusley, 28. He served two tours in Iraq, in Baghdad and Ramadi, and one in the Helmand province of Afghanistan before leaving active duty.

"Schools are kind of against the rules over there," he said. Over there, he stood guard for 24-hour stretches with a "battle buddy." The pair spelled each other through short breaks for bare necessities.

He has no battle buddy in this small Central California town near Modesto, about 80 miles south of Sacramento. But after reading a Facebook post urging soldiers be posted at every school in the wake of last week's tragic shooting at an elementary school in Connecticut, he decided to take action on his own.

To the surprise of his very pregnant wife, Kristina, Pusley got up early Wednesday and dressed in uniform. He walked out of the house and around the corner to the kindergarten through third-grade school at 7:30 a.m.

"I was just praying and hoping the principal would say yes," he said.

Principal Laura Fong did. "I said, 'Absolutely!' In light of all that's happened, this is especially the time to make sure we help students and families feel safe," she said.

Kristina Pusley, expecting in two weeks' time, brought future Hughson Elementary kindergartner Canon, 3, to visit daddy midmorning. "I'm proud of him for it," she said.

From 7:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. Wednesday, Pusley stood his post, greeting kids as they arrived and saluting the flag with the kindergarten class of Annette Diliberto.

"I just want to have a word to this community that I stand between them and any danger," he said. Asked about his lack of firepower, Pusley said, "I don't need to be armed to do this. I don't have a fear in the world that if someone came here, I'd have the strength and the ability to protect them."

But by Wednesday night, he was facing a different type of threat.

By wearing those fatigues instead of a dress uniform in public, the Marine reservist said, he violated Marine Corps protocol and could face up to a $10,000 fine and five years in prison. Worst of all for a proud veteran and provider for a growing family, "dishonorable" could be stamped across his honorable discharge.

He said he was warned by phone by former Marine Jordan Pritchard, who stood a similar guard earlier this week at an elementary school in Nashville, Tenn. Pritchard was notified by the U.S. Marine Corps that he was the subject of a formal investigation, Pusley said.

"I made a mistake. I shouldn't have worn it. I apologize to my community, my nation and the Marine Corps," Pusley said, adding he's written a letter of apology to President Barack Obama as well.

He's a stay-at-home dad right now. The family is living on savings and his Reserve pay, enjoying being safe and together after his years away.

He will not be at Hughson Elementary on Thursday, he said. Besides fears for his future and his family, Pusley was clearly taken aback by the publicity and attention showered on him at the school.

Many Hughson residents drove by; many stopped to shake his hand. A television crew checked in. Facebook spread the word.

School receptionist Angelee Martin said she spent the morning leaking tears every time she looked out at him. "Everybody feels so safe with him there. He just impresses me so much," Martin said.

Parent Danielle Batteate said having a Marine on campus was wonderful. "Somebody, out of their own heart, is actually protecting our children," she said.

Other parents posted the news on Facebook, bringing well-wishers who offered the Marine cup after cup of coffee. But too much coffee would mean leaving his post before school let out, so a growing collection of cups sat cooling around the flag pole.
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And now the rest of the story. I'm not sure I want this guy hanging around schools.



Craig Pusley stands guard in front of Hughson Elementary School on Wednesday, Dec. 19, 2012. (credit: CBS13)
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HUGHSON (CBS13) – The feel-good story of a former U.S. Marine standing guard outside a local elementary school doesn’t feel so good the day after.

It turns out Craig Pusley isn’t in the U.S. Marine Corps Reserve, he didn’t serve overseas as he told CBS13 on Wednesday and he was discharged after less than a year with the second-lowest ranking in the Marines, private first class (E-2).

Pusley, who stood guard in uniform but unarmed outside Hughson Elementary School on Wednesday, was stationed at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot in San Diego from July 2007 until April 2008, according to the Marines’ public affairs office. He was never deployed.

“I’m in shock, that’s very bad,” said one mother. “This isn’t something to be playing around with; this is serious and it’s scary.”

Pusley said Wednesday he was a sergeant in the Reserve after being on active duty in Afghanistan. He also claimed to be in the service for nearly 10 years, as well as serving two tours in Iraq.

Some parents hope school administrators will think twice before letting a man in uniform on campus.

“Check, just to make sure they are who they say they are, because anybody can do it, take advantage and something mad could happen,” the mother said.

Pusley was back in front of the school on Thursday but in a coat and tie. He said Wednesday he was prompted to take action after the tragic school shooting last week in Newtown, Conn. He left mid-morning, however, as questions surfaced about his past.

“I would take a bullet for any one of these kids whether I know them or not,” he told CBS 13 Wednesday. “If a gunman comes into this school, I’m not gonna kill him. I’m gonna drag him out of here. I’m gonna let the law take care of him.”

The school’s principal, Laura Fong, wouldn’t comment on Thursday because she said she didn’t know all the facts regarding the controversy. But she said it was a “very heartwarming thing” when the former Marine showed up Wednesday and his presence made her and the staff feel safer.

But once administrators learned he was lying about his service record, Pusley was kicked off campus.

CBS13 tried reaching out to him, but was unsuccessful.
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