Steelers? Seahawks?

[rockdogz]

I thought the Steelers were great in the post season leading up to the big game. I was surprised that it wasn't a blowout. Seattle's clock management woes were an embarassment - I think Holmgren needed something to argue about and shift the blame elsewhere.

I was disappointed in the commercials... thought they could have been better! Ahh well, there's always next year...

[zbugger]

Originally Posted by camcojb

Actually I think the Steelers are a very good team. I also thing that Seattle is good and deserved to be there. I just think there was a lot more happening in the game that caused the loss than just the refs......

This is true, actually. I can't believe how the Steelers turned it on at the end of the season. BUT, with a few bogus calls for holding, and the fact that they couldn't do squat on a 3rd and 3, the Seahawks should have won it. But at least they showed that the NFC isn't the same as they have been the last three seasons.

Allen, you're probably right!

Umm... This has me afraid. On what part?

[Damn True]

Steelers had great plays but the simple fact is the Seahawks outgained, outpassed, and allowed fewer yards throughtout the entire game. So statistically they were superior to the Steelers.

You've chosen to ignore the salient statistical metric. Points scored. In that area of measurement the Steelers clearly were the superior team by 101%. The Seachickens did miss two key field goals (6pts right there) that could have given them a chance for an on-side kick.....etc...

"There are three kinds of lies. Regular lies. Damned lies. And statistics." ~ Samuel Clemens.

You can also look to two abysmal punts on the part of the Seachickens. In both cases a directional punt & coverage was kicked in the opposite direction from the coverage. The Seachickens were lucky to have not had one of those run back on them. Both did allow for rather nice field position for the Steelers.

In fact, they were the only team in Super Bowl history to outgain, outpass, and dominate a team and lose. Why? Because the refs chose to call chicken s**t penalties through the entire game.

Wrong. The Ram's out passed and out ran the Pat's in XXXVI and lost, Green Bay out ran and out passed Denver in XXXII and lost, Steelers out passed and outran Dallas in XXX and lost. There are more but searching those box-scores is tedious.

The key thing is that the Steelers outrushed the Seachickens by 50yds and didn't blow it when presented an opportunity to score.

As for the penalties. The only one that was flat out wrong was the Hasselbrokeback "clip" or whatever. Jackson did push off, the other cat was holding. Were they egregious examples of such...probably not, but they were infractions none the less. Bottom line, the Seachickens got caught 7 times for 70yds and the Steelers 3 for 20.

And as for shooting off Jeremy Stevens' fat mouth, every sports writer in the country said Joey Porter was a non-factor in this game despite talking from his southern output all week. I don't like the pro sports smack talking so i don't stand behing Jeremy Stevens and his mouth but Porter ran his mouth 10 times more and didn't do a thing all day.

I dunno about that. The Seachickens ran away from Porter and Polomalu (sp?) all day. Every time they ran he drew a double team. I'd say he was doing his job rather well because his presance made the Seachickens alter their play calling.

If you read or watched any sports news outside of Pittsburgh today, You would already know this stuff......

Given that I live in San Jose, California I would think it rather difficult to get my sports media from anything but sources outside of Pittsburgh. But since we are on the subject.....It seems at least one of the Seachickens players and their coaching staff see things differently than you do:

“I mean, if a team just goes out and overpowers you, then you’re like, ’Hey, we got beat.’ But I think we beat ourselves,” Bernard said.

“I know they’re not OK with it,” the coach said of his players. “I wanted them to keep their heads up. There’s no need to apologize for anything. We lost the football game and we lost it because of the reasons you lose most games ... mistakes.”

Shall we continue, or have you grown tired of the taste of your sour grapes?

[trapin]

I thought it was a pretty good game. I was rooting for Pittsburgh (naturally) because Jerome's from the D, but also because I felt a sort of connection to him. We played Detroit Mackenzie my senior year. Jerome played both running back and linebacker for them. I was a defensive tackle, I got a few licks on him during the game (the guy was solid as a rock...like trying to tackle a huge frozen Butterball turkey) but he got one "beauty" on me in the 4th quarter; guy practically tore my shoulder off. After the game when both teams were shaking hands I got the chance to joke around with him a bit before heading into the locker room. Super nice guy...and still is from what I hear. I never forgot his name; Jerome Bettis. I followed him during his years at Notre Dame and then with LA and Pittsburgh. He was my only real connection to Pro Football...I lived vacariously through him . My friends and family have understandably grown tired of my Jerome Bettis story all these years (especially the wife). And now that he's finally retiring, I can't help but feel.....

Old (gulp).

Also, major props goes out to Motown for a fantastic job. My buddies and I got down there on Friday and the atmosphere was absolutely electric. I think we showed a lot of people that the Detroit you see in the movies is not the real Detroit at all.

[rockdogz]

That's a cool story Tony... you actually got to play against Bettis!

I didn't see the show but I thought this was .... funny, considering our discussion on this subject..

Roethlisberger admits: 'I don't think I got in'

[camcojb]

20 reasons the refs' calls didn't matter...

1. The Refs didn't give up the longest run in SB history...Seattle's defense did.
2. The Refs didn't bite on a 43 yd trick play, Randle to Ward for a TD...Seattle's defense did.
3. The Refs didn't allow Ben to scramble around on a 3rd and 28 and complete a long pass to the 2 yd. line...Seattle's defense did.
4. The Refs didn't miss two field goals, that was Seattle.
5. The Refs didn't fail to step out of bounds late in the 1st half to stop the clock in Pitt territory in a crunch time situation...Seattle's offense did.
6. The Refs didn't let the 1st half clock tick down from 48 seconds all the way down to 13 seconds before finally running their next play at Pitt's 36 yd line...Seattle's offense did.
7. And on this play, 3rd down, 53 yds away from a FG, it wasn't the Refs who tried and failed to go deep for a TD rather than a safer 5-7 yd play and timeout setting up a much easier FG attempt....that, again, would be Seattle's offense.
8. The Refs didn't get confused by Pitt's zone defense and throw an INT...that would be Seattle's QB.
9. The Refs didn't let a little physical contact intimidate them from catching 4 very catchable passes...that would be the Seattle TE Jeremy Stevens.
10. With approx. 20 seconds left in the game, knowing they need a TD and FG, in no particular order, and in easy FG range on 4th down, it wasn't the Refs who ignored the FG and elected to throw up a prayer trying for a TD...that AGAIN would be Seattle.
11. The Refs didn't constantly punt deep into the end zone, repeatedly giving Pitt the ball at the 20 yd line...that of course was Seattle.
12. It wasn't the Refs who received a Christmas gift wrapped easy INT lobbed in perfect position to return deep into Pitt territory...the lucky beneficiary of that break would be Seattle.
13. It wasn't the Refs who got a break when a Steeler DB dropped an easy int early in the game...that too would be a break for Seattle.
14. It wasn't the Refs who caught a break when a Steeler WR dropped a very catchable TD pass...that break again would go to Seattle.
15. It wasn't the scapegoat Refs that received a break when a WR caught the ball, turned, stepped, was hit hard enough to cause a fumble, and then ruled INCOMPLETE...that would be of course, another chance for Seattle.
(this was an interesting call considering that after Troy's famous overruled Int, the NFL stated that it WAS a catch. If so, than this definitely WAS a catch)
16. The Refs werent the ones who caught a break when at the conclusion of a 2nd qtr play, as a Pitt DE was walking away, the Seattle Center blindsided the defenseless player, leveling him to the ground. This mysteriously unseen crime was again another break for Seattle.
17. It wasn't the Refs who got a break when Pitt QB Big Ben was blocked in the back as he pursued the DB who he'd tossed an int to...that again would go to Seattle.
18. It wasn't the Refs who stopped Seattle RB Alexander in a few key situations. That would be the Pittsburgh Steelers.
19. It wasn't the Refs who converted many of their 3rd downs yet stopped their opponent on 3rd down often...that would be the Pittsburgh Steelers.
20. And the very bottom line is this...On plays when there wasn't any penalties...One team made plays and one team didn't. The end result was the final score, 21-10 Seattle was outcoached and outplayed.

[Ummgawa]

Originally Posted by Stuart Adams

The Stones are coming to Vegas. I checked prices for good seats, are you sitting down, no sit down, 400.00 and up per ticket, WTF.


You guessed it - I passed.

I hear that the Stones Tour is sponsored by Depends, One a Day, Preperation-H and The Ford Crown Victoria.

[Damn True]

Originally Posted by camcojb

20 reasons the refs' calls didn't matter...

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Brilliant

[zbugger]

Originally Posted by camcojb

20 reasons the refs' calls didn't matter...

1. The Refs didn't give up the longest run in SB history...Seattle's defense did.
2. The Refs didn't bite on a 43 yd trick play, Randle to Ward for a TD...Seattle's defense did.
3. The Refs didn't allow Ben to scramble around on a 3rd and 28 and complete a long pass to the 2 yd. line...Seattle's defense did.
4. The Refs didn't miss two field goals, that was Seattle.
5. The Refs didn't fail to step out of bounds late in the 1st half to stop the clock in Pitt territory in a crunch time situation...Seattle's offense did.
6. The Refs didn't let the 1st half clock tick down from 48 seconds all the way down to 13 seconds before finally running their next play at Pitt's 36 yd line...Seattle's offense did.
7. And on this play, 3rd down, 53 yds away from a FG, it wasn't the Refs who tried and failed to go deep for a TD rather than a safer 5-7 yd play and timeout setting up a much easier FG attempt....that, again, would be Seattle's offense.
8. The Refs didn't get confused by Pitt's zone defense and throw an INT...that would be Seattle's QB.
9. The Refs didn't let a little physical contact intimidate them from catching 4 very catchable passes...that would be the Seattle TE Jeremy Stevens.
10. With approx. 20 seconds left in the game, knowing they need a TD and FG, in no particular order, and in easy FG range on 4th down, it wasn't the Refs who ignored the FG and elected to throw up a prayer trying for a TD...that AGAIN would be Seattle.
11. The Refs didn't constantly punt deep into the end zone, repeatedly giving Pitt the ball at the 20 yd line...that of course was Seattle.
12. It wasn't the Refs who received a Christmas gift wrapped easy INT lobbed in perfect position to return deep into Pitt territory...the lucky beneficiary of that break would be Seattle.
13. It wasn't the Refs who got a break when a Steeler DB dropped an easy int early in the game...that too would be a break for Seattle.
14. It wasn't the Refs who caught a break when a Steeler WR dropped a very catchable TD pass...that break again would go to Seattle.
15. It wasn't the scapegoat Refs that received a break when a WR caught the ball, turned, stepped, was hit hard enough to cause a fumble, and then ruled INCOMPLETE...that would be of course, another chance for Seattle.
(this was an interesting call considering that after Troy's famous overruled Int, the NFL stated that it WAS a catch. If so, than this definitely WAS a catch)
16. The Refs werent the ones who caught a break when at the conclusion of a 2nd qtr play, as a Pitt DE was walking away, the Seattle Center blindsided the defenseless player, leveling him to the ground. This mysteriously unseen crime was again another break for Seattle.
17. It wasn't the Refs who got a break when Pitt QB Big Ben was blocked in the back as he pursued the DB who he'd tossed an int to...that again would go to Seattle.
18. It wasn't the Refs who stopped Seattle RB Alexander in a few key situations. That would be the Pittsburgh Steelers.
19. It wasn't the Refs who converted many of their 3rd downs yet stopped their opponent on 3rd down often...that would be the Pittsburgh Steelers.
20. And the very bottom line is this...On plays when there wasn't any penalties...One team made plays and one team didn't. The end result was the final score, 21-10 Seattle was outcoached and outplayed.

Where did you learn to cut and paste? I KNOW you didn't think that one up yourself.....