when i got intrested and pickt up with this new consept about 5 years ago. it stoot for building modernday suspention and race techniks under the ageing muscle and pony cars of the past .to take them and compeet with the cars of today in stijl .the pro-touring car was a luxery G-mashine, witch itself was a more race oriented car. however today it seems to be that every car brand model rangeing from japan to european vans pickup trucks who hase a better suspention brakes then stock is acsepted and fits this profile as a pro-touring g-mashine car!!. afther makeing a prakticel joke yesterday on the pro-touring forum saying to burn all the japenees cars afther a new forum member started a tread about customizing japanees cars . things before it iven heated up(witch was not my intend), was moderated, and on my replies on that , my tekst was removed. i felt that i could no longer ecspress myself about what i feel should fit the pro-touring G-mashine profile...so i canseld my membership with that forum. now im not here with a sour grape feeling trying to stir up stuff, but i do like to know where the general line of this consept is sailing to. looking at the list of members cars on both forums.past and presend the first gen pony cars of the past camaro,s in general with mustangs and firebirds ecetera and the slightly bigger muscles cars with it was the flow to go with... am i wrong and a relick of a not to far back past who whants to stay with the cars that started this seen out there ,ore is my general feeling that euro and ore japenees cars have no place umongst this seen the right one!!.becuase if im wrong then the to fast and to furies and drift cars of today are the mainstream and the biggest group of Pro-touring -mashine cars out threre . forgive my spelling im dutch and dislectic.
Last edited by Roadrage David; 07-12-2007 at 09:52 PM.
David
Although I would like to say I agree with you , only because I have never gotten into the Honda Civic thing. The reality is these are cars that some members favor. the sad fact is ,is that many of these imports can give some our muscle cars a good spanking in the performance and handeling departments straight out of the factory. I most definitlly have my preferances and opinions also. I am an old school builder. My feeling is when a car is built ,it should posses performance, great looks, and be safe and a bove all it must be useable. I want to be able to get it out and run all day long. If I am going to say Columbus Ohio from here in Wisconsin for the Goodguy's I want to expeariance the drive. As I said I am not a big fan of import car,s but I am even less of a fan of 800 hp, six speed. slammed to the ground trailer queen,s. but if that is what someone desires in his or her car then thats their right and I will defend thier choice with out hesitation, won,t alway's agree but then they may think my obsession with cars with metal dash boards is weird to. [ I tend to gravitate to cars that are 1964 or older] you all have a great day and above all have fun with cars later Larry www.llcustomperformance.com
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Seriously though, I don't prefer the Ricer thing, but, it is indeed a segment that is wildly popular. Every now and again I'll see one that is right on the money, Right wheels, right stance, no Star Wars spoiler on the back, sides and front. This is exceptionally rare mind you. Maybe, MAYBE, two in the last ten years.
What difference does it really make? Do you think you are the inventor of good brakes and nice suspension parts? I'll let you in on a secret, people have been making ALL cars go fast on the street and track for the last 80 years. Putting on a tubular suspension does not mean you are part of an exclusive club. The people really doing things could care less about what some guy in another country does to his Honda or anything else. Do you think real racers in real track cars think that we are ruining their reputation putting real speed parts on cars that will never do anything other than be internet car porn stars? They could care less I'd bet. Probably even think it was cool. I think everyone is tired of this topic, let it go already
"ricer" crew here *waves*. I sort of agree with you, in as far that the label "pro touring" should be limited to earlier versions of classic american muscle cars. Kind of like how "street rods" specifically refers to pre 194~ (forget which year exactly...) vehicles. But it's really hard to know where to draw the line, as I've seen some pretty quality vehicles that didn't fit this category, yet were still built in the pro-touring style. For example, a "pro-touring" fox-bodied mustang would be pushing it, I think. Or last gen camaro. I think "g-machine" can fit those (if they handle) but not pro-touring.
I wish I had the money to be able to build up my dream pro-touring car, but for right now I don't, so a slightly cheaper way to get a pretty decent handling sporty-ish car for me was to go Japanese for awhile (driving a 2002 acura rsx-s currently).
To each their own, but imho, to be a true car enthusiast you can't totally limit yourself to one genre or style...
I think off it as a rebirth to cars of yesterday. But yesterday is relative. It depends on how old you are. I love muscle cars and that is my thing. Recently I have had a thing for open fender rides like a 34' Ford, which alot of people have put a 350 chevy in. I recently had a dream about one with a 3 cyl motor. (my daily driver's a Metro, 46mpg who's laughing). But with custom paint, a 3cyl 5spd, I could drive this thing everyday. And on the weekends, swap the 350 back in and have the best of both worlds. But I know a Jap motor in a classic to some is pure evil.
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