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Old 04-18-2010, 11:05 PM
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I'm hooked on the road racing for sure. I enjoy autocross but it doesn't quench my thirst. I was born a speed demon and road racing satisfies it and then some. That being said, it's not near as safe. The consequences are compounded. I'd recommend instruction to anyone that is planning to run. The RTTC instruction was basic but important. It gave us novices a chance to learn the line and get comfortable. It was only my second time on a road course with the first being a basic failure with a puked power steering pump. I have to say I liked that dirty old El Toro track more than Spring Mountain. It was more interesting and the track wasn't perfect. You had to adapt your driving style to match the imperfections instead of playing by the book. Maybe I'll change my mind when I get a chance to run full bore on Spring Mountain.
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Old 04-19-2010, 05:52 AM
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I'm hooked on the road racing for sure. I enjoy autocross but it doesn't quench my thirst. I was born a speed demon and road racing satisfies it and then some. That being said, it's not near as safe. The consequences are compounded. I'd recommend instruction to anyone that is planning to run. The RTTC instruction was basic but important. It gave us novices a chance to learn the line and get comfortable. It was only my second time on a road course with the first being a basic failure with a puked power steering pump. I have to say I liked that dirty old El Toro track more than Spring Mountain. It was more interesting and the track wasn't perfect. You had to adapt your driving style to match the imperfections instead of playing by the book. Maybe I'll change my mind when I get a chance to run full bore on Spring Mountain.
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Old 04-19-2010, 07:12 AM
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I'm gonna attend all these events in the midwest and a few more.
I was at Road America this weekend. There were over 40 instructors at this event and I made arrangements to have a separate musclecar track group.
Posted it on this and PT sites. 3 members showed up. Not enough for a separate group, but we had fun anyway. Once people get over being skeered and try it, the events will grow. Ask Jim Nilsen and Crafty, both 1st timers this weekend, and now hooked on it.
Jeff, I drove through the Elkhart lake area yesterday and saw a few cars that were clearly dong a track day..... how do I get started? I am planning to be track ready later this summer but who do I contact, what do I do? Is there a club that I need to join?
I will be spectating at the Ultimate street car shootout at RA, A budy and I would like to chat and learn what needs to happen.
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Old 04-19-2010, 11:18 AM
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I think the RTTC was a hit. Its safe to bet everyone had a great time (except if you were told to leave.)
The fact that they had that many cars when it was created in such short notice. It was on Easter Weekend. Same weekend as Barrett Jackson. I think turnout was pretty good.
Myself and Greg drove from Washington and Oregon, to go to this event even though we didn't compete. We wanted to show support for this type of event on the west Coast. (We also need a Power Tour type event also) We volunteered and worked the Autocross we had a blast.

The only thing I would add is that spectators be allowed in, charge a fee and let them watch. El Toro isn't set up for that, so I could understand the reason for that but, as a spectator on the sidelines watching it gets his blood flowing and goes home and gets a car put together and participates in the future.
I don't think Drag Racing and Nascar would be as big as they are if they didn't alow spectator attendance.

These events are in there infancy stage, they are going to grow and they are going to be much more competitive now that money is involved. As projects get finished more people will participate. Im glad I can say I was there when it all started.
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Old 04-19-2010, 11:40 AM
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The only thing I would add is that spectators be allowed in, charge a fee and let them watch. El Toro isn't set up for that, so I could understand the reason for that but, as a spectator on the sidelines watching it gets his blood flowing and goes home and gets a car put together and participates in the future.
I don't think Drag Racing and Nascar would be as big as they are if they didn't alow spectator attendance.

These events are in there infancy stage, they are going to grow and they are going to be much more competitive now that money is involved. As projects get finished more people will participate. Im glad I can say I was there when it all started.
I literally JUST called Road America before I read this. For the Street Car Faceoff event spectators can enter the track for FREE, just need to sign a waiver on the way in.
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Hi Jimi,

The RTTC event was too much fun to not attend again so I think you'll find a growing base of participants year after year. If you could do anything, just get the word out more often and sooner, post vids and photos, etc. Stress to people that you can come out and have a great time and there is absolutely no pressure to punish your car or 'compete'(it's very easy to get all wrapped up in 'competition' and forget about that). There are a limited number of people out their doing this stuff competitively(money, time), so if you can pull in more of the 'just for fun' population, you'll get increased participation year after year, because it's damn fun.

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Bottom line is, a lot of people feel their cars aren't ready, are too nice, or are too scared to ball em up.
You know, I do love your enthusiam for driving your car hard and trying to get people to participate with you, but honestly, you do go a little overboard with your criticism of people not driving their cars as hard as you have chosen to. I've even seen a post of yours where you ragged on somebody when they did bring their car out to the track but weren't driving it 'fast enough'. Your enthusiam for driving hard and your contributions to this site are very much appreciated(I'm a fan of your car and your videos), but you might want to be a little more careful about how you criticize others and what they decide to do with their cars and how they drive. If you think that getting people to participate by ragging on them for not participating is a good practice, well, maybe it isn't:

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Old 04-22-2010, 06:12 AM
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I am so much looking forward to checking out the action next week at Road America.
Idea, as this competition grows, how about two classes?
One class would be an unlimited class.
The other class would be limited to minimal modifications for cars still retaining the stock-style sustension. This 'slower' class may draw in more guys with modified stock suspension (tubular control arms, big sway bars, while still retaining leaf springs, etc.). This is what most pro-touring guys do.

This way the stock-style cars could still compete with each other for the fastest-in-class without trying to go up against the stuff with full custom race suspension under it.

This would give the companies that sell tubular replacement parts and sway bars a venue to show off their 'bolt-on' parts and compete at that level.
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