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**Flash68** · #**1061** 05-08-2014, 01:02 PM

It was nice to finally see this mythical creature to verify its existence.... it can look like a PT car from 20 feet with the nailed stance and pretty Forgeline rims, but it's all bidness when you get up close. Go get some.

Ron Sutton · #**1062** 05-08-2014, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 67zo6Camaro

That's cool having real time adjustment to the shocks. I'm wondering what you think of those. I'm guessing it will make it easy to do a lap at one setting then another lap at a different setting.... getting some direct feedback which setting was better feeling and/or faster. I likie.

Hey Bret,

Gaetano & I were looking at typical shock brands, but he had a need for lots of travel (7"+) in a short shock package ... along with race valving, more rear tire grip & adjustability. So I had these built custom by a race shock company I have used for years, with my secret sauce digressive valving curve. They are not cheap, but they are bad ass, awesome race shocks. (Not for street, as they need to be rebuilt more often.) They utilize super low gas pressure for increased tire grip which is what G needed.

The double adjustability ... with remote cables ... it great for a track car. It makes your track time more productive. When G runs a couple laps & sees the car needs more entry grip, he can dial in some more rebound on a straight and feel the change the next lap. That will grip up the exits too. The time saver is you don't have to wait until your sessions is over ... go to the pits & tune ... and wait until the next session to see how it worked. the results show in the next corner. If G wants to free up the middle of the corners, he can stiffen the compression a few clicks. If he wants to grip up the corners, he can soften the compression. He can tell how it performs in the next corner.

Note: If you adjust rear shock rebound too stiff ... the car will loosen up again on corner entry, as the heavy car will simply "pull" the too stiff shocks & rear end with it & unload the rear tires. Like most things ... it's about finding the balance.

For just rear shocks, it's a pretty tunable package. If we added similar fronts (with correct front valving) dialing in the total handling is a snap. A lot of guys see the knobs and think it's confusing. But you don't have to turn them. They're clearly marked & once you get used to which direction does what ... it's pretty cool.

Ron Sutton · #**1063** 05-08-2014, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68

It was nice to finally see this mythical creature to verify its existence.... it can look like a PT car from 20 feet with the nailed stance and pretty Forgeline rims, but it's all bidness when you get up close. Go get some.

Love it ... Cheeseball.

rustomatic · #**1064** 05-09-2014, 01:30 AM

Gee Ron, you make it sound so easy. My front Konis take about 30 minutes, what with all the bolts I've got to undo; fortunately, thanks to my recent "track prep," I'm now out of adjustment, so no more tears...

The rears are a bit easier, and are great for one-arm bench pressing practice. I need to learn to more consistently not brake with my downshifts to understand the true value of the damping in my rear shocks...

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Originally Posted by Ron Sutton

Hey Bret,

Gaetano & I were looking at typical shock brands, but he had a need for lots of travel (7"+) in a short shock package ... along with race valving, more rear tire grip & adjustability. So I had these built custom by a race shock company I have used for years, with my secret sauce digressive valving curve. They are not cheap, but they are bad ass, awesome race shocks. (Not for street, as they need to be rebuilt more often.) They utilize super low gas pressure for increased tire grip which is what G needed.

The double adjustability ... with remote cables ... it great for a track car. It makes your track time more productive. When G runs a couple laps & sees the car needs more entry grip, he can dial in some more rebound on a straight and feel the change the next lap. That will grip up the exits too. The time saver is you don't have to wait until your sessions is over ... go to the pits & tune ... and wait until the next session to see how it worked. the results show in the next corner. If G wants to free up the middle of the corners, he can stiffen the compression a few clicks. If he wants to grip up the corners, he can soften the compression. He can tell how it performs in the next corner.

Note: If you adjust rear shock rebound too stiff ... the car will loosen up again on corner entry, as the heavy car will simply "pull" the too stiff shocks & rear end with it & unload the rear tires. Like most things ... it's about finding the balance.

For just rear shocks, it's a pretty tunable package. If we added similar fronts (with correct front valving) dialing in the total handling is a snap. A lot of guys see the knobs and think it's confusing. But you don't have to turn them. They're clearly marked & once you get used to which direction does what ... it's pretty cool.

Vince@Meanstreets · #**1065** 05-09-2014, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rustomatic

Gee Ron, you make it sound so easy. My front Konis take about 30 minutes, what with all the bolts I've got to undo; fortunately, thanks to my recent "track prep," I'm now out of adjustment, so no more tears...

The rears are a bit easier, and are great for one-arm bench pressing practice. I need to learn to more consistently not brake with my downshifts to understand the true value of the damping in my rear shocks...

it really isnt so bad but when your in 130 degree weather, 175 degree ground and 300 degree exhaust, it can be a bit challenging. Anything to make changes easy is good by me.

Track Junky · #**1066** 05-09-2014, 10:21 AM

Thanks again for helping me out Ron. Looking to run either June 13th at T-Hill or June 14th at Sonoma. Fair warning....your on speed dial

**GregWeld** · #**1067** 05-09-2014, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky

Thanks again for helping me out Ron. Looking to run either June 13th at T-Hill or June 14th at Sonoma. Fair warning....your on speed dial

Thank goodness for caller ID.......

Vince@Meanstreets · #**1068** 05-09-2014, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky

Thanks again for helping me out Ron. Looking to run either June 13th at T-Hill or June 14th at Sonoma. Fair warning....your on speed dial

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Originally Posted by GregWeld

Thank goodness for caller ID.......

don't forget to make the beep noise at the end if you do accidentally pick up.

Ron Sutton · #**1069** 05-09-2014, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky

Thanks again for helping me out Ron. Looking to run either June 13th at T-Hill or June 14th at Sonoma. Fair warning....your on speed dial

Awesome. Please do text or call me after your runs so we can talk. Because it could be dangerous if you called me during your runs.

Seriously, I understand this valving, so I can save you some time getting them dialed in and you can move on to the next thing to focus on.

Track Junky · #**1070** 05-10-2014, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Sutton

Awesome. Please do text or call me after your runs so we can talk. Because it could be dangerous if you called me during your runs.

Seriously, I understand this valving, so I can save you some time getting them dialed in and you can move on to the next thing to focus on.

Fair warning Ron. Couldn't wait till June. Registered for NASA Time Trials at T-Hill for May 24th.