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Old 10-05-2007, 03:02 PM
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Trust me i agree this is a really high end build and you guy's are doing awesome.

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So far the body kit and interior panels have cost over $100K to have designed and made. This car IS one of those high-end builds.

Although I do agree a rendering is a great place to start your project. It give direction during the build, instead of guessing as you go....
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:07 PM
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You make a great point Marty. As Pete said, this car is a high-budget car considering it is a prototype showcasing so many parts, but renderings are becoming increasingly more popular for builders and owners of every level and budget.

You look at this car and it has just under 50 components to the kit that needed to be designed that are exclusive to this package and went through a period of development beyond fabricating a single one-off part. Is everyone going to need that? Probably not, considering that even most aftermarket companies develop 1 to 10 new products to showcase at SEMA each year.

That's one end of the spectrum. The other end is the backyard builder on a more modest budget that can't afford to screw around with painting the car twice or buying 3 sets of wheels to achieve the ultimate look for his dream car. Whether he/she builds at home or outsources for work, they need a plan, a blueprint, a clear goal and source of motivation to dig into their wallet every week and spend half their paycheck or more.

Also, there is nothing more frustrating to an owner than trying to communicate ideas to others what they envision for the car. What are the expectations of the builder and owner? If there is a difference of opinion how can you visualize the compromise? Will it look like a cohesive design or will it look like an eclectic hodgepodge of 2 sets of ideas that clearly don't go well together. Good designers work as a bridge of ideas that mitigate the stress of miscommunications and offer creativity and a vast knowledge of trends and the "next big thing". Beyond a pretty picture for your wall, designers are thinkers as well as artists. I have (3) 3 subject notebooks filled with ideas for projects since Jan. I have fat 3 ring binders busting at the seams with mag clippings and email printouts on projects I hope to get to someday.

The bottom line is good design is affordable and practical for everyone. Paper is a hell of a lot cheaper than metal and paint. And there are just so many great artists to choose from that offer a variety of perspectives, style and ability. You can't lose!

Sorry for the novel, I'll just keep posting photos...I promise!
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:48 PM
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Ben,

That "novel" should be the first page in the handbook for how to do a project of any scale. As always the Nemesis Mustang is a home run. Keep it up.

To All,

I can attest personally that the work Ben has done for us will save months of time and thousands of dollars. Or if you look at it another way, even if it doesn't save a dollar in parts or labor the project wouldn't be nearly as good because we couldn't have afforded "WHAT IF'S" that the rendering process allows. Try it, you'll like it!
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cohesive, eclectic, hodgepodge, vast, mitigate
Man... good thing I married an english teacher... I had to call her over so I could understand what you were saying.

On a more serious note, I try to encourage all my clients to do so for the exact reasons you mention Ben. Regardless if its a $20k car or $200k car ultimately the builder and or designer needs to display his ideas or visions in a real hands on visual to the one paying the bills.

PS... she gives you an 'A+' for your advanced use of vocabulary.
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WOW! looking forward to seeing it complete!
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Ben,

Thank you for saying exactly what i meant. Can i use your words in my build book for Syborg because i don't think i could have said it any better.

ps - I can give one example on my truck. My vision of the firewall and my fabricators vision didn't seem to get communicated very well and we ended up doing two firewalls. ( the first one didn't count )



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You make a great point Marty. As Pete said, this car is a high-budget car considering it is a prototype showcasing so many parts, but renderings are becoming increasingly more popular for builders and owners of every level and budget.

You look at this car and it has just under 50 components to the kit that needed to be designed that are exclusive to this package and went through a period of development beyond fabricating a single one-off part. Is everyone going to need that? Probably not, considering that even most aftermarket companies develop 1 to 10 new products to showcase at SEMA each year.

That's one end of the spectrum. The other end is the backyard builder on a more modest budget that can't afford to screw around with painting the car twice or buying 3 sets of wheels to achieve the ultimate look for his dream car. Whether he/she builds at home or outsources for work, they need a plan, a blueprint, a clear goal and source of motivation to dig into their wallet every week and spend half their paycheck or more.

Also, there is nothing more frustrating to an owner than trying to communicate ideas to others what they envision for the car. What are the expectations of the builder and owner? If there is a difference of opinion how can you visualize the compromise? Will it look like a cohesive design or will it look like an eclectic hodgepodge of 2 sets of ideas that clearly don't go well together. Good designers work as a bridge of ideas that mitigate the stress of miscommunications and offer creativity and a vast knowledge of trends and the "next big thing". Beyond a pretty picture for your wall, designers are thinkers as well as artists. I have (3) 3 subject notebooks filled with ideas for projects since Jan. I have fat 3 ring binders busting at the seams with mag clippings and email printouts on projects I hope to get to someday.

The bottom line is good design is affordable and practical for everyone. Paper is a hell of a lot cheaper than metal and paint. And there are just so many great artists to choose from that offer a variety of perspectives, style and ability. You can't lose!

Sorry for the novel, I'll just keep posting photos...I promise!
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syborg tt
Ben,said it perfect
I was just stating that this car has taking ALOT of money to build
Nothing negitive about what you said
Anyway it's in the booth ready to get some kolor in the morning
Then first of the week we'll be painting the outside
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Finally its got some paint
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Finally its got some paint
just curious when was the last time you slept
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