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SuperSport · #**181** 11-11-2012, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor's Nemesis

Hispanics are typically Catholic and have strong family values-which jive with things Republican. But then again when the Repub candidate speaks about 'illegals' and self-return to their country of origin it doesn't bode well for getting votes.

You sir have it correct. They will Praise Reagan time and time again. What did Reagan do for Latinos and others as far as the immigration issue?
All the Republicans had to do what separate themselves from Faux News and idiots like Limbaugh and Trump and they may have had a legitimate chance.

Me personally, I don't like the idea of checkpoints when driving across Arizona and don't want that nonsense to spread to other states.
My guy was Ron Paul but, he did not stand a snow balls chance in you know where.

Keep it up Republicans and the nest president will be Cory Booker. And no this is note a race thing it is a "vote for anybody but them" thing. Much like how Obama won the first time around.

Garage Dog 65 · #**182** 11-11-2012, 06:21 PM

Might wanna recheck the data on the Reagan comment. He did a pretty big immigration amnesty deal - and we're back in the same mess 30 years later.

Simpson Mazoli Bill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfHKIq5z80U

Bush did a big deal on immigration too.

And the Latino vote totals went down for those presidents in their next elections.

Jim

SuperSport · #**183** 11-11-2012, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Garage Dog 65

He did a pretty big immigration amnesty deal - and we're back in the same mess 30 years later.
And the Latino vote totals went down for those presidents in their next elections.

Jim

Absolutely right. Amnesty!
Reagan knew exactly what to do and what to say for the time.
As a Latino I am going to give you my opinion. We want to vote Republican as mentioned by another member earlier. We also understand that tightening the border is important. But, to go and deport people who come here, and work for our benefit we do not believe is right. By benefit I am talking about buying produce at stores for cheap. Get rid of the migrant worker and you will witness the biggest inflation in the cost of produce you have ever seen. (just one example). No one thanks the migrant worker for his labor and cheap earned wage so we can buy our food for cheap.
Reagan said it himself, employers hire them. The employer benefits and we benefit.
The counter argument is "we want legal migrant workers correct"? Well once a migrant worker is legal he is going to try and get a better job and leave the fields.
We need to be honest with ourselves as Americans we can not tell people not to come here and when they do, tell them we have work for them. We need to realize there are jobs we will not do for certain pay or labor.
We need to be like Reagan and face the issue and see what compromise we can come up with.
“If they come into the United States to pick tomatoes, they can’t go out and work at McDonald’s" was once said by someone. And you wonder why you don't get the votes you need.
Keep it up Republicans.

**Spiffav8** · #**184** 11-11-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperSport

Absolutely right. Amnesty!
Reagan knew exactly what to do and what to say for the time.
As a Latino I am going to give you my opinion. We want to vote Republican as mentioned by another member earlier. We also understand that tightening the border is important. But, to go and deport people who come here, and work for our benefit we do not believe is right. By benefit I am talking about buying produce at stores for cheap. Get rid of the migrant worker and you will witness the biggest inflation in the cost of produce you have ever seen. (just one example). No one thanks the migrant worker for his labor and cheap earned wage so we can buy our food for cheap.
Reagan said it himself, employers hire them. The employer benefits and we benefit.
The counter argument is "we want legal migrant workers correct"? Well once a migrant worker is legal he is going to try and get a better job and leave the fields.
We need to be honest with ourselves as Americans we can not tell people not to come here and when they do, tell them we have work for them. We need to realize there are jobs we will not do for certain pay or labor.
We need to be like Reagan and face the issue and see what compromise we can come up with.
“If they come into the United States to pick tomatoes, they can’t go out and work at McDonald’s" was once said by someone. And you wonder why you don't get the votes you need.
Keep it up Republicans.

I may be way off or just missing what you are saying, so please correct me if I am wrong. What I took from that is that you think it is alright for a person to come to the United States illegally, so long as they are here to work as cheap labor?

**GregWeld** · #**185** 11-11-2012, 08:02 PM

I'll jump in here....

When I go to Home Depot -- I see people that WANT to work... and I like that about those people. They're not standing by the freeway offramp with some sob story on a piece of cardboard...

What I do not like - is that they (meaning anyone that comes illegally) pay ZERO taxes... and when they get ill... they show up at the ER and we fix them up free of charge... and I don't like that some of the money they earn is sent out of my country... and I don't like the mess that is left behind in the areas they inhabit. In other words - come here and RESPECT my way of life... don't turn my country into the crap country you left behind.

If people come here and like it... then I want them to try to better themselves - learn to speak english - and pay taxes etc just like I do. I don't want them to work in the fields for low pay and do back breaking work. But that "low cost" of labor you cite doesn't jibe with the 11 BILLION DOLLARS that California budgets for "illegals".... So just like Obamacare... there is no "free" or "low cost" medical care... someone is paying - we're just recognizing it in a different column on the spreadsheet .

So --- I don't like to bitch --- unless I think I have a better way....

We don't need to deport people.... But we do need to find a way to organize them and bring them to some sort of "legal state" where they can be here - pay taxes and medicare etc - but not be citizens without going through what our laws already say they must do.

What I don't like is what I see when I go to Southern California... where parts of it are looking more and more like Northern Mexico... and THAT is what people are upset about I think... So I think people would like a "fix" for the issue - and I think people in general would like to see other people do well and improve themselves... but NOT at the expense of our way of life as we know it.

Does that make sense?

SuperSport · #**186** 11-11-2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Spiffav8

I may be way off or just missing what you are saying, so please correct me if I am wrong. What I took from that is that you think it is alright for a person to come to the United States illegally, so long as they are here to work as cheap labor?

That is what Reagan did.

**Spiffav8** · #**187** 11-11-2012, 08:39 PM

Greg it makes sense to me and I respect your point of view and agree with 98% of it.

I wasn't looking to stir the pot and my question was an honest one. The reason I asked for clarification is that a very very good friend of mine came from those who pick produce. His parents came to the U.S. legally and worked VERY hard to carve out the best life possible for their family. They started in the fields. Their children all are very well educated (by their own means) and all have very good jobs. I have nothing but the utmost respect for them.

I just don't think it's fair to those who do all that it takes to come to the U.S. legally when many others come in illegally. It's a pretty big slap in the face to anyone that has earned it.

My wife works for the local police department here in Las Vegas and I have a lot of friends on the department. They will tell you that the illegals that cause a great many problems. The fact that that they came here by an illegal means shows a bit of who they are. Those that came here legally...well that also shows the type of person they are.

I honestly don't care where a person comes from. I have been all over the world with my job and I have spent time in a lot of poor places. There are good people everywhere and we all have the same basic desire to improve our way of life. Anyone that make the immigration issue strictly about Latino's or any other one specific background is wrong.

That's my .2 cents. Hope I used words like "their" properly.

**GregWeld** · #**188** 11-11-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperSport

That is what Reagan did.

Here's what's REALLY wrong ----

If we just take Mexico and the U.S.

We have TWO governments that have failed their people. Mexico by not providing an environment (after 100's of years) where it's people can make a standard of living in their own country.... and ours - by allowing people to knowingly break the laws and get away with it (and that's the people seeking work and those that employ them).

SuperSport · #**189** 11-11-2012, 08:42 PM

GregWeld,
as a American of Latino decent I agree with you as well.
Unlike what most people think Latino Americans don't like seeing there neighborhood go to SH*&!
If you think the Mexican American likes paying taxes all you have to do is go down to Mexico.
The typical Mexican would rather have dirt roads and burn there own garbage as opposed to pay taxes for nice roads and waste collection every weekend.

Wake up Republican, they have the same ideology as you. But, if you want to categorize them as a taker and not a worker then you will never get their respect come election time.
I am only 1 person. My vote is only 1 of many. But, I do vote. I did not vote for Obama in 2008 or 2012. As well, I did not vote for MCcain or Romney. I pulled for the guy I thought was best for America and treated Americans and people with respect, Ron Paul.

**Spiffav8** · #**190** 11-11-2012, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperSport

That is what Reagan did.

With all respect my friend, I didn't ask what Regan did. I asked if that was what you where saying and honestly I am more interested in hearing your personal opinion and views. You bring a unique perspective to the table. One that perhaps I can learn from....if you're willing to share.

If not here in the public eye, them perhaps via a PM.