my feelings on the us and job loss ect

[sniper]

Originally Posted by realcoray

and let's be clear, the administration saving GM will have saved tens of thousands of jobs, even though the company had cut tens itself.

Let's be ultra clear. "SAVING" those jobs has cost many thousands of other jobs. Why? Because in order for the government to save those jobs, they had to first steal my money. Then they use that money at a rate of .10 on the dollar to distribute to whom they want to survive. So instead of me having a whole dollar to spend as I see fit the government takes my dollar, .90 cents is consumed in government burocracy, and .10 cents makes it to the "saved". Wonderful isn't it?

Originally Posted by realcoray

What the jobs thing and manufacturing thing really comes down to is companies do not give a damn about their employees.

That is a lie plain and simple. Oh whoa is me.

Originally Posted by realcoray

if a company can make more money by doing something, they will do it.

I am not sure what business you are in or what you do for a living, but let me give you a little hint of what a business is designed to do. And it's real simple because it is only one thing. MAKE MONEY. You were hired by your employer to make THEM more money.
That's it. Now in that process of making something that people want, they grow, as they grow they require employees. We should all know this, but people all to often believe having a job is a right, and that jobs create business's.

As an example. If jobs are the goal, you could simply hire a group of people to dig ditches and another crew to fill them in.

[CreepinDeth]

Sorry guys, but we've been placed at a very unfair disadvantage of competition
we simply can not compete with. NAFTA opened the doors to it, and was Reagans'
idea in 1979 and he worked to make it happen, finally resting the FINAL approval
on a newly elected Clinton. Follow the NAFTA timeline, and you will see. The Chinese
Trade Agreement in 2000 was the next big dent that REALLY screwed us IMO.

Alot of people really have no clue about this.
Ross Perot said, if this is approved all you will hear is a "Giant sucking sound".

That will be all the jobs leaving America. The eternal , meaning NEVER expiring,
Free Trade agreements we have , have placed US Manufacturing at a complete
disadvantage with 3rd world slave labor wages.

IMHO .....that's why the US Govt is not handling the Illlegal Immigration
problem either....because it keeps some form of slave labor here in the US.

People will usually buy what is cheapest to get to keep more money for other things.
This is undoubtedly true, because Walmart has flourished to become the #1 GIANT
retailer in the USA in such a short span of time. Walmart has bankrupted more
US Based companies to ship their product oversea's to be produced in China
then you want to know about.

[tones2SS]

Originally Posted by elitecustombody

I just saw this video on local boards, I think it suits the thread


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTfWomXAN8o

That was awesome man!! lol

[realcoray]

[QUOTE=sniper;245119]Let's be ultra clear. "SAVING" those jobs has cost many thousands of other jobs. Why? Because in order for the government to save those jobs, they had to first steal my money. Then they use that money at a rate of .10 on the dollar to distribute to whom they want to survive. So instead of me having a whole dollar to spend as I see fit the government takes my dollar, .90 cents is consumed in government burocracy, and .10 cents makes it to the "saved". Wonderful isn't it?


That is a lie plain and simple. Oh whoa is me.

I am not sure what business you are in or what you do for a living, but let me give you a little hint of what a business is designed to do. And it's real simple because it is only one thing. MAKE MONEY. You were hired by your employer to make THEM more money.
That's it. Now in that process of making something that people want, they grow, as they grow they require employees. We should all know this, but people all to often believe having a job is a right, and that jobs create business's. [QUOTE]

So which is it, do we have american car manufacturers and the hundreds of thousands of associated jobs or do we lose them? That really was the choice and you can complain about oh my taxes, but look at some of the members of this very board who were sweating out if they would make it through or not. Like it or not the GM bail out saved their jobs, and those are real american people. Put yourself in that other persons position for a moment instead of worrying about your dime.

Now the bank bailouts that's something else, and also something not even brought forth by the current administration.

As far as what you say about business, I'm pretty sure we agree, as my whole point is business (not all but in general) does not care about workers, it cares about money, so if they can save money by moving their work, they will do so.

Again this can be something where you have to look at the other side. For example, Boeing a huge manufacturer in this country and especially where I live, just announced that it won't be opening a second 787 line here in Everett, but instead will go to south carolina. On one hand it bothers me that they have no loyalty to this community, but on the other hand, thousands of people in south carolina will benefit. Granted as the distance grows outside of the united states, to say people in China benefitting my understanding of the matter weakens, but it's the same concept of, our community feeling like we lost jobs, and the belief around here that the company is outsourcing the work to cheap, unskilled labor.

ps. I'm not a business owner but can certainly appreaciate how they end up being forced to go towards cheaper sources of labor/materials. I am though in an industry that is one of the big ones besides manufacturing to have been outsourced.

[68KMARO]

Hello to all. The USA is the greatest country on earth, it just has had the worst government representing it. Where do we start to fix the country? To many jobs leaving and to many people coming in. Close off the southern border. Use people who are unemployed to build the border. Put the job out to bid out in the public eye and let the people chose who shall build.
I think all kids coming out of high school should do 2 years military service. These kids would only be used to prepare and provide for emergencies, i.e., hurricane, floods, fires, earthquake etc. They would also supply support and patrols for all borders. These kids would never see over seas active duty unless they volunteered for it.
For all these mouths to feed, clothe and house, ONLY companies in the united states, using goods made in the united states employing citizens who are legal to work here and are documented would be allowed to bid for these contracts. This would be a start.
Rich
68kmaro

[gearheads78]

Don't know if I should laugh or cry but its way too true.

Originally Posted by 1969Crossram

THE ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER

Two Different Versions! ................. Two Different Morals!

OLD VERSION: The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long,
building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays
the summer away.

Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.

The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.


MORAL OF THE STORY: Be responsible for yourself!


MODERN VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his
house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays
the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and
demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed
while others are cold and starving.

CBS, NBC , PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering
grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.
America is stunned by the sharp contrast.

How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper
is allowed to suffer so?

Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper and everybody cries
when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.'


Acorn stages a demonstration in front of the ant 's house where the news stations
film the group singing, 'We shall overcome.' Rev. Jeremiah Wright then has the group
kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.

Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the
ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax
hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.

Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper Act
retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs
and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is
confiscated by the Government Green Czar.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the
ants food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the
ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it.


The ant has disappeared in the snow.


The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now
abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.



MORAL OF THE STORY: Be careful how you vote in 2010