Once more .. Art Morrison or DSE sub?

[wiedemab]

Indiana - that's my neck of the woods. What part of the Hoosier State? Have a good trip Frank.

Bowtieracing - good luck with the decision - it's a tough one. I don't think you'll be disappointed either way though.

[Bowtieracing]

Originally Posted by Silver69Camaro

Bowtie, a small correction, you can indeed run a 10" wheel with our subframe. Heck, we have one customer running a 295mm tire.

At any rate, pick whatever subframe you think looks the best. If you like the look of a stock appearing subframe, go with DSE. If you like the fabbed/aftermarket look, use ours. Both drive very similar and handle extremely well and there isn't anybody on these forums who would be able to tell the difference. I bet the weight between the two is darn close, also.

Matt THANK YOU for your personal input - means a lot to me. I have never thought this could be so damn hard to choose. And all this came way faster than i was planned due several reasons.

10" Wheels ? Great because i have stuck in a idea having 285 fronts to get needed grip for 14" brakes. I had skinny fronts with big brakes last project and hated it .

I am not too much of fan of dished wheels so that isnt such a big deal for me but stock appearing looks are - and not just by me . Here in finland cars need to be inspected once a year and sometimes too much aftermarket modifications can be a broblem.

This is killing me

[Bowtieracing]

Originally Posted by ProdigyCustoms

Have I got a deal for you. In a couple weeks I am going to Indiana to get our new 2 car trailer. On the way back I am swining through North Carolina by DSE to pick up a Subframe for a project. I could grab 2 while I was there.

Or, if you decide on Art Morrison, I have to order one of their chasiss in a day or 2 and I could have the 2 ride together.

What does this mean for you?

a couple things.

1 I have a truck that goes to South Florida every 2 weeks, so we can deliver which ever subframe you choose to you forwarder free!

2 Should you decide on the DSE frame, I will bring it back from DSE factory to my shop, FREE!

3 If you decide on the Art morrison Chassis, we can shipp your with ours and save a few hundred on shipping splitting shipping.

So which ever you choose, your going to save $400 to $600+ on shipping alone.

Frank this is really really good news The freight savings are like music to me

[dhutton]

I recently chose the AME subframe over the DSE for my project. Since the performance was essentially the same and I'm not concerned with bling the primary driver was cost - I was able to save $400 on shipping through one of the dealers here. While not a big difference when combined with the difference in price it was enough to push me in the AME direction. The other cost considerations were that I could use the stock F body LS1 accessory drive and oil pan. I was also able to install a Sanden compressor using the $100 Vintage Air bracket that VA included with my kit at no cost. Another plus for me has been support. They are helpful on the phone but I have also sent messages to Matt directly and received an answer very quickly. I don't think there are many products out there where you can communicate directly with the designer.

The quality of the subframe is excellent. The welds are a work of art and everything fit together including their LSx mounts and headers. The ceramic coated custom headers are nicely made and priced fairly.

Don

[Bowtieracing]

Originally Posted by dhutton

I recently chose the AME subframe over the DSE for my project. Since the performance was essentially the same and I'm not concerned with bling the primary driver was cost - I was able to save $400 on shipping through one of the dealers here. While not a big difference when combined with the difference in price it was enough to push me in the AME direction. The other cost considerations were that I could use the stock F body LS1 accessory drive and oil pan. I was also able to install a Sanden compressor using the $100 Vintage Air bracket that VA included with my kit at no cost. Another plus for me has been support. They are helpful on the phone but I have also sent messages to Matt directly and received an answer very quickly. I don't think there are many products out there where you can communicate directly with the designer.

The quality of the subframe is excellent. The welds are a work of art and everything fit together including their LSx mounts and headers. The ceramic coated custom headers are nicely made and priced fairly.

Don

Thanks Don!!! Have you driven it yet ? If so how do you like it ?

[dhutton]

Originally Posted by Bowtieracing

Thanks Don!!! Have you driven it yet ? If so how do you like it ?

Sorry, my first roadtest is several months away. This is a total project and I'm doing all the work myself on weekends.

Don

[ProdigyCustoms]

Wiede, The new trailer is being built in Goshen. I don't know where the hell that is, but I will find it, LOL! It is supposed to be ready around the 10th, I just need it before SEMA departure on the 25th of October. I will be heading in from Nashville and out towards the east coast. So I will be in a hurry, but I have to pass by you along the way, maybe I can stop and say hey

[rwhite692]

[quote=Silver69Camaro]I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Our subframe has a 1/2" wider hub track than stock and does not require a flat-faced wheel, but keeps scrub in the optimum range.

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Agree, It's really not a huge difference:

Stock Track Width = 60"
AM Sub = 60.5
DSE Sub = 58.5

So, the AM is 2" wider hub-to-hub, or, an inch of track width per side as compared to the DSE sub.

An extra inch of backspacing isn't a HUGE deal, I'll admit, but, it does change the look of the wheel, especially if you are getting up toward the maximum rim width possible...How much that aesthetic matters to any one person is of course just a personal preference.

[CraigMorrison]

Kyle and I had this same very conversation back at the March Pleasanton. He was answering questions about why the DSE was better than ours, and why ours was better than DSE's and it sounded like we both gave the same anwers......so here is the heavily paraphrased version......

We have both done a lot of homework and engineering on our products, and as a result you are probably going to be very hard pressed to find a performance advantage of one over the other. It is then down to what you like the look of (fabbed or hydroformed) and what "name brand" you like more.

Kyle and Stacy are great people, and if you go with those guys, you are going to get a great product. We're pretty good guys too (might be biased here ) and you will great a great product. Either way you are going to have a great piece you will have a lot of fun with.

I know this really wasn't an answer, but this is the answer that I give when asked......

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

shoot, if you have the cake to get either one youre pretty much good and ballin..

I LOVE the fabbed look so im getting an Art frame.. should be in the works..

and you CAN run 10s.. why?.. because i am.