V8TV / Royal Purple Camaro

[V8TV]

Hey Paul -

Thanks for all the info!

In fact, Gearheads supplied me with what appears to be that same pump, however with their steering bracket in place of the horse shoe bracket shown in your photo, and their bracket is drilled for a shorter-deck 302, so it's off just a hair.

While reading your post, a couple lightbulbs went off in my head...

The car currently has an aftermarket serpentine setup that I am not happy with, so it's coming off.

My goal is to use as many factory Ford brackets as possible. I've been amassing Ford 5.0 brackets, but I've run into some issues with the H2O pump. I may have the SN95 4.6 water pump with a longer nose, (F5TE 8505-C4-A). To use the standard 5.0 pump, brackets, and pulleys, I may have to change the timing cover and then the H2O pump to get the pulleys to line up.

Next challenge - the steering pump. If I had the horse shoe shaped bracket shown in the pic you provided, do you think the Cardone pump would bolt into the Ford aluminum steering bracket in the attached pic of a stock 5.0 pump and aluminum bracket? I've got a 351 adapter bracket for the 5.0 pump... see attached pic of black bracket.

I'd like to end up with an arrangement like the last photo - this is from a kit Cobra, and it's nice and clean. It looks like he's running a smog pump with no pulley (?). This is a 302. If the cardone pump with the horse shoe bolts into this steering bracket, I'm getting closer.

Lastly, we should chat about the Hydroboost conversion while we're at it... I've never been happy with the brakes on the car, and Jeff Schwartz swears to me that the problem is with the assist....

Thanks again for doing the homework and helping us out!

- Kevin

[Hydratech®]

This is EXACTLY why I'm a "GM guy"! And also a damn good part of why you will only see a mere pittance for Fords applications listed in our products section. What with 1/2 year model run changes, vin breakpoints, GVW, option codes, it makes for a hotrodders worst nightmare to figure out WTF to do with certain items like what you're dealing with.

My goal is to use as many factory Ford brackets as possible. I've been amassing Ford 5.0 brackets, but I've run into some issues with the H2O pump. I may have the SN95 4.6 water pump with a longer nose, (F5TE 8505-C4-A). To use the standard 5.0 pump, brackets, and pulleys, I may have to change the timing cover and then the H2O pump to get the pulleys to line up.

Man, I don't even want to touch that one! This is perhaps best left for the Ford gurus to properly answer. The small 4.6 modular pump to wit couldn't possibly be used on the old school V8's, so I think we need a Lat-G Ford guy to chime in here. This reminds me of the absolute hell I went through many moons ago to (cough cough) *simply* put an EFI 5.0 in place of an old school 302 in an older XR7. There was that moment (of sickening revelation) when we finally fired it up, in that we had to yank it all back apart again to fix an incompatibility in the balance (flywheel / balancer interchange BS) per the sunvisors and mirrors vibing around badly at certain rpm's = turned me off from Ford's permanently! Nightmare after nightmare, still haunting me all these years later. There was a moment when one of my guys had to stop me from "curing" the problems with a gallon of gas and a match.

The ps pump you have in the pics IS the notorious POS Ford CII pump, though you find it to look similar because it's painted in the classic rebuilder black. You can make the Cardone Saginaw Super Pump fit anywhere the the CII plastic pump fits, though you will need to whip out the sawzall and the carbide burrs and relieve the bracket to clear on an as needed basis - some brackets simply need a little "notch and buzz", while some of the other brackets we've worked with needed some substansive mowing for clearance.

The FFR Cobra pics are customer supplied, and to the best of my knowledge those are all March produced brackets and pulleys you see in the pics. A.I.R. pump? No way - take a better look at this pic:


Just an alternator, crank pulley, water pump and ps pump...

Lastly, we should chat about the Hydroboost conversion while we're at it... I've never been happy with the brakes on the car, and Jeff Schwartz swears to me that the problem is with the assist....

We have made a believer out of Jeff on a few projects, and SEXP is now an authorized vendor / retailer of the systems as a result. The hydraulic brake assist systems we produce are twice as generally powerful as a typical vac booster, so if Jeff says you guys need more assist, these systems will definitely provide that!

[V8TV]

Paul -

I have a Saginaw pump, (see pic 1), but I want to mate it to the bracket I included in the previous emial. (See pic 2 & 3). I need to find out if that horseshoe bracket will do the trick.

You're right, the Ford stuff can be a nightmare.

As for the H2O pump, you can see by pic 4 that there's a challenge ahead to line them all up. The aftermarket billet pulley was offset a good 3.5 inches, but I don't dig that arrangement.

I don't want to run the smog or A/C pumps (until we add A/C).

I think this should be a new thread...

Thanks,

Kevin

[Hydratech®]

Yes, that horseshow bracket will do the trick, but the only way to get your hands on this adapter is to buy the Cardone Super Pump. That particular aluminum factory pump bracket will definitely need to be mowed in various places to clear the stouter Saginaw P, though it is well worth the effort in the long run.

Also, I didn't mean to get down on Fords as it looks like I did - they're just not as directly interchangeable.

[V8TV]

Thanks again, Paul. I'll check on the Cardone Super Pump. I wonder if I can call Cardone directly and get the bracket.

I'm actually looking forward to whacking the aluminum steering bracket. If we can get this to work, we can save Ford fans everywhere hours of headaches.

No offense taken regarding the Ford stuff. It is pretty crazy when it comes to this stuff.

- KO