Nissan GTR vs LS7/LS9 1st Gen

[pimlico]

Originally Posted by James OLC

Ok. I will bite. What stock ls7 powered Z06s are running 10s? And please forgive me - I don't get to read too many magazines so I may be out of touch.

Ranger- 11.13 @ 127 Bone stock, stock tires:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQdR3WV9tLk

Ranger- 10.85 @129 Bone stock, DragRadials:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=469NvIOiz7U

Another- 11.02 @ 125 Stock tires, Nothing but Corsa axelback exhaust:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdW9EgHjDpA

DP Racing- 11.13 @128 Bone stock, DragRadials:
http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/f...t=Dom09Z06.flv

[James OLC]

Yes - iirc ranger has run as fast as 10.7 and change. One or two cars rarely make a good case study. I can likewise think of a couple of 10 second "bone stock" GTRs that have run 10s (athough they may have done it on street tires).

[Vegas69]

The last 40 years have seen some MAJOR advances in engineering. Not to mention it's all wheel drive. I've said it and I'll say it again, if you are building a pro touring car and think you will end up with anything close to a Nissan GTR, you best save your money and tears. It just can't be done.

If you are in love with a muscle car and want a capable, modern version, you are in luck.

These cars just don't have millions of dollars of engineering.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Originally Posted by Vegas69

These cars just don't have millions of dollars of engineering.

Camaros don't, but apparently a Mustang does.

http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicl...tang_obsidian/




lol

[irishlsxer]

are we just talking about 0-60? 60-120? Autocross? Road race? Street race?! Heaven forbid anyone might want to do a little of that in their sacred pro touring car.
Really, aside from the truly awesome modern supercar engineering of the gtr, if we're talking sheer performance, it's all about how much money one can and will throw at it. Easy? No. Cheap? No way in hell. But impossible? Tell that to the guys that have built some of the heavier hitting, more expensive pro tourers lately.
HOWEVER, I'm sure in most cases, even with all the latest 'pro touring tech' out there AND a ton of hp, compared to a gtr or any brand new 100k+ sports/super car, modern stuff is just way easier to control, obviously. Stielow himself admitted that Red Devil was a good bit harder to drive than a new zl1, and his cars have more modern tech thrown at them then almost anyone's round here now days.

[uxojerry]

The goal should be to build a modernized old car that will hold it's own, not necessarily beat a high end modern car. Seat time probably allowed Brian Hobaugh to beat several GTRs in the last competition. On paper he was down hp for most of the field, but had less weight and more time behind the wheel. The better driver won in the end.

I just bought the wife a new GT500. It will break traction in 1st-3rd if your not careful with the nannies on. Im actually rethinking my hp goals for my 65 and 68 Corvette. Im starting to think 550hp or so might be a better idea than 700, lol.

[Vegas69]

Originally Posted by irishlsxer

are we just talking about 0-60? 60-120? Autocross? Road race? Street race?! Heaven forbid anyone might want to do a little of that in their sacred pro touring car.
Really, aside from the truly awesome modern supercar engineering of the gtr, if we're talking sheer performance, it's all about how much money one can and will throw at it. Easy? No. Cheap? No way in hell. But impossible? Tell that to Stielow or Chris at jcg Or the roadster shop guys for that matter or Nelson racing and so on and so forth...
HOWEVER, I'm sure in most cases, even with all the latest 'pro touring tech' out there AND a ton of hp, compared to a gtr or any brand new 100k+ sports/super car, modern stuff is just way easier to control, obviously. Stielow himself admitted that Red Devil was a good bit harder to drive than a new zl1, and his cars have more modern tech thrown at them the almost anyone's now days.

There's more to a car than performance numbers.

[James OLC]

At the end of the day... If you invest GTR style money in to a vintage project, the GTR will "beat" you almost every day of the week (if being driven by drivers of similar talent). If you invest Pro Touring style money in to a GTR the GTR will "beat" you every day of the week and then some (then again so will most modern high performance cars). Reality is PT cars are cool, fun, different, unique, can be assembled over time and most of us enjoy the heck out of them but very few, if any of them, can directly "compete" with a modern supercar (if that is your measure of success).

[Flash68]

Originally Posted by Vegas69

The last 40 years have seen some MAJOR advances in engineering.

Stand back, everyone. Captain Obvious has entered this room!

Originally Posted by irishlsxer

Tell that to Stielow or the roadster shop guys for that matter or Nelson racing

No one is talking about racing a dyno here.

Originally Posted by James OLC

At the end of the day... If you invest GTR style money in to a vintage project, the GTR will "beat" you almost every day of the week (if being driven by drivers of similar talent). If you invest Pro Touring style money in to a GTR the GTR will "beat" you every day of the week and then some (then again so will most modern high performance cars). Reality is PT cars are cool, fun, different, unique, can be assembled over time and most of us enjoy the heck out of them but very few, if any of them, can directly "compete" with a modern supercar (if that is your measure of success).

And that pretty much wraps it up.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Originally Posted by James OLC

At the end of the day... If you invest GTR style money in to a vintage project, the GTR will "beat" you almost every day of the week (if being driven by drivers of similar talent). If you invest Pro Touring style money in to a GTR the GTR will "beat" you every day of the week and then some (then again so will most modern high performance cars). Reality is PT cars are cool, fun, different, unique, can be assembled over time and most of us enjoy the heck out of them but very few, if any of them, can directly "compete" with a modern supercar (if that is your measure of success).

If there was probably anyone in here who took a stab at the question you asked this guy would be it.. and right out of the horses mouth(yes james I called you a horse..lol) a pt car cannot really play with a GTR..

that car is just the Future of cars.. that and better cars will be from now on.. as long as we dont go broke designing them.. lol.

look..

why even ask the question?
















'mans gotta know his limitations..







thats like thinking to yourself.. I wonder if I have the best health, the best doctors, trainers, practice, etc..

could I fight Manny Paquiao or Mayweather...if I was comparable size.