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08-03-2016, 11:17 AM
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 ummm Hell Marky you dont even invite me to dinner and now your tossing keys around?
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Originally Posted by Stielow
I'm in the Milford area and head over to Woodward from time to time. If you want to drive Jackass 2.0 you can see for yourself how a DSE suspension puts down 970 HP yet soaks up Detroit's crappy roads .
I have installed 4 of them and really like the ride and the performance.
PM me If you are interested.
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08-03-2016, 12:51 PM
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I can see it now, Jackass theme park. The lines would be around the block.
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08-03-2016, 03:06 PM
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I can see it now, Jackass theme park. The lines would be around the block. 
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08-04-2016, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by akrapovic
Hey guys,
i was hoping that a member with either a art morrison 4 link or quadralink in a 69 camaro might be willing to give me a ride in their car. I'm trying to find a rear suspension that is a bit more street friendly. I currently have a ladder bar setup which is too hard on my back (had surgery.). Before i dive in and change my setup again i would like the opportunity to see how it rides.
Fyi i live in Clarkston so metro detroit area would be preferable. With the dream cruise coming up it may be easy to meet up, shoot the sh$? And talk cars
Thanks in advance
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Hey Marcus,
Sorry to hear about your back. I literally feel your pain, as I broke my back in a racing crash in '91. Hurts everyday. Some days less & some more.
As far a ride quality goes, the linkage system will have very little contribution. Regardless of brand of 4-link ... or torque arms as some like & have mentioned ... the ride quality is going to going down to:
* Getting rid of the articulation bind you have from your ladder bars
* Getting away from solid rod ends & monoballs & going to something with softer bushings, preferably Delrin.
* Spring rate
* Shock valving
If you're not going to autocross or track the car, I would suggest a rear spring rate around 175#.
For shocks, you want a monotube shock with relatively low rebound & compression rates in the 5" to 20" per second range. That is the range where shocks respond to bumps & dips in the road. IMHO, I would not "save money" by buying the lower cost twin tube design shocks. They can not provide the same response rate & ride quality.
In my experience from dyno testing all the shocks commonly available in the PT world ... the off the shelf Ridetech singe adjustables will provide the best control & least harshness. You want the single adjustable shock to dial in the feel to want you personally find
All rear suspension styles ... 3-Link, 4-Link, Triangulated 4-Link, Torque Arm, Truck, Arm, IRS, etc .... ALL have differing pros & cons. If you want to talk grip ... not ride quality ... bring that up. Otherwise, all will work. And all of them can be made to achieve your ride quality goal.
As far as which 4-link ... or other suspension style like Torque arm ... I'd make sure they have delrin bushings, easy pinion angle adjustment & a quality reputation. From there .... IMHO ... it would come down to dealer relationship & customer service.
Best wishes.

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08-04-2016, 10:10 AM
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Dr Ron to the rescue once again. "Yeah, what he said". Im very happy with my DSE setup. Its a very good ride, along with a quality seat (Recaros in my case). As others said, it realy boils down to what your using the car for..... Cheers
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08-04-2016, 11:28 AM
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Wow thank you so much for the information ron. To everybody else my thanks as well. Hopefully i can make this work and not feel like i need a walker everytime i get out of my car
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Originally Posted by Ron Sutton
Hey Marcus,
Sorry to hear about your back. I literally feel your pain, as I broke my back in a racing crash in '91. Hurts everyday. Some days less & some more.
As far a ride quality goes, the linkage system will have very little contribution. Regardless of brand of 4-link ... or torque arms as some like & have mentioned ... the ride quality is going to going down to:
* Getting rid of the articulation bind you have from your ladder bars
* Getting away from solid rod ends & monoballs & going to something with softer bushings, preferably Delrin.
* Spring rate
* Shock valving
If you're not going to autocross or track the car, I would suggest a rear spring rate around 175#.
For shocks, you want a monotube shock with relatively low rebound & compression rates in the 5" to 20" per second range. That is the range where shocks respond to bumps & dips in the road. IMHO, I would not "save money" by buying the lower cost twin tube design shocks. They can not provide the same response rate & ride quality.
In my experience from dyno testing all the shocks commonly available in the PT world ... the off the shelf Ridetech singe adjustables will provide the best control & least harshness. You want the single adjustable shock to dial in the feel to want you personally find
All rear suspension styles ... 3-Link, 4-Link, Triangulated 4-Link, Torque Arm, Truck, Arm, IRS, etc .... ALL have differing pros & cons. If you want to talk grip ... not ride quality ... bring that up. Otherwise, all will work. And all of them can be made to achieve your ride quality goal.
As far as which 4-link ... or other suspension style like Torque arm ... I'd make sure they have delrin bushings, easy pinion angle adjustment & a quality reputation. From there .... IMHO ... it would come down to dealer relationship & customer service.
Best wishes.

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