Shooting in Connecticut

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab

3 days ago they were calling for it. Facebook poll had Armed teachers at 82%.

Public opinion was arm teachers?

Potential problems with that is 7 of 10 teachers probably aren't capable and 9 of 10 are probably of the anti-gun mindset.

I wish the NRA would just sit down with lawmakers and find a solution instead of building a gauntlet of lawyers making ready for an attack.

I would imagine the NRA needs significant public support before the lawmakers will objectively listen to them.

They are doing the same and(as?) the anti-gunners, putting effort and funds towards a non solution.

The Thurston HS Kip Kinkle shooting spree that took place 3 miles from my house. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kip_Kinkel
I had numerous longtime close friends with children at the school that day thus somewhat understand the reality and community impact of these events. It certainly doesn't feel like it took place over 14 years ago. My oldest son will be attending Thurston HS next year and my daughter 2 years later which makes me somewhat vested in solutions of effective protection.

Since this event the local school districts have placed officers in the 7 local high schools. Demographically our metro area has approximately 175,000 people. 14 years later it has proven effective in what I would consider a region with a high ratio of firearms per household.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by clill

And now the rest of the story. I'm not sure I want this guy hanging around schools.

Good find Charley!


Sad - because all the had to do was just show up and say he was there for the children. No need to lie about the background. Now his good deed turns him into a jackass (no slam on your Camaro BTW).

[GregWeld]

To take a bigger picture view of what we're all really trying to wrap our heads around - pro or anti gun.... is that we would all probably agree that our schools are turning into targets. Now the question is - what can we do about it.

We all know there's many more nut jobs out there. They have access to guns - legally or illegally makes no difference to me. No laws scare them since they're suicidal nut jobs to begin with.

We guard planes - we guard banks - we're already guarding some high schools - we guard athletes at stadiums... Why rile people up and pit one group against another with more ineffective laws that stop nothing (we already have that proof - it is, after all, against the law to murder people isn't it?)... Let's just put some safety in place - which can be done TOMORROW if we'd just say that's what we're going to do for now. Then we can all calm down - have a good discussion - not a knee jerk reactionary bunch of bans - and work toward a real lasting resolution.

My sense is - even gun owners are not only appalled - but taken aback hearing how many guns are in circulation... I know I am. But I'm also a realist - knowing that just making another law that will only affect the "good guys" doesn't fix much. In fact - like some other nonsensical bills Congress has tried before (the boat tax - the fur tax etc) - will most likely result in more people being laid off.

We forget history all too quickly. My guess is England would like to take back the tax on sugar, and liquor, and tax stamps in general - that was the beginning of the Revolution (obviously there was more to this but I'm making a big picture statement here). And the Civil war was in part fought (big picture here) because the North wanted to dictate to the South regarding slavery.

We have larger problems brewing when one group starts to ride hurd over another group. This whole rich vs poor - democrats vs republicans - conservatives vs liberals... some of this stuff I think is really starting to resonate with people. That's when the nut jobs get going!

[nicks67ca]

Common sense doesn't prevail and in this instance you can already see that there is a divide and they are on opposite sides of the room and have their backs turned to each other. I think BOTH sides need to turn around and take a step towards each other.

[Vegas69]

Originally Posted by Sieg

Public opinion was arm teachers?

Potential problems with that is 7 of 10 teachers probably aren't capable and 9 of 10 are probably of the anti-gun mindset.


I would imagine the NRA needs significant public support before the lawmakers will objectively listen to them.

The Thurston HS Kip Kinkle shooting spree that took place 3 miles from my house. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kip_Kinkel
I had numerous longtime close friends with children at the school that day thus somewhat understand the reality and community impact of these events. It certainly doesn't feel like it took place over 14 years ago. My oldest son will be attending Thurston HS next year and my daughter 2 years later which makes me somewhat vested in solutions of effective protection.

Since this event the local school districts have placed officers in the 7 local high schools. Demographically our metro area has approximately 175,000 people. 14 years later it has proven effective in what I would consider a region with a high ratio of firearms per household.

Try about 9.99 out of 10. I've done the research on females pulling the trigger and it's extremely low. It's not the answer and very likely is a problem.

[GregWeld]

Sen. Frank R. Lautenberg, D-N.J., said he was stunned by LaPierre's (of the NRA) comments.

"It is beyond belief that following the Newtown tragedy, the National Rifle Association's leaders want to fill our communities with guns and arm more Americans," he said in a statement.
"The NRA points the finger of blame everywhere and anywhere it can, but they cannot escape the devastating effects of their reckless comments and irresponsible lobbying tactics. The NRA leadership is wildly out of touch with its own members, responsible gun owners, and the American public who want to close dangerous loopholes and enact common-sense gun safety reform."




Oh yeah -- that's why guns sales are probably UP three or four hundred percent SINCE the Newtown massacre. My guess is that people that never thought of owning a gun have been out buying them.

We can say what we want -- but there's article after article about the meteoric RISE in guns sales.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing whether that's dumb or not -- I'm just laughing at the fact that so many responsible gun owners are upset with the NRA -- while they're busy feeling that way - they're standing in line at the gun store!

[Sieg]

I'm friends with the owners of the three most popular specialty gun shops in town, one is also the shooting range on I-5. They have been setting sales records the last three years mainly on personal defense weapons even with the new Cabela's store in town. The Cabela's store firearms department is moving an alarming number of handguns and assault weapons (black guns).

I also know the CEO of local department chain in the PNW that does not sell handguns just long guns but sells ammunition and reloading components for both and very competitive pricing has been experience supply issues for the last three years which he feels is due to hoarding and new gun owners. A gun is no good without ammo and vice versa.............one has a serial number and one doesn't. The gold mentality may be applicable to ammunition going forward.........those these situations typically neutralize in 6 months this time it may be different.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by clill

And now the rest of the story. I'm not sure I want this guy hanging around schools.



Craig Pusley stands guard in front of Hughson Elementary School on Wednesday, Dec. 19, 2012. (credit: CBS13)
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HUGHSON (CBS13) – The feel-good story of a former U.S. Marine standing guard outside a local elementary school doesn’t feel so good the day after.

It turns out Craig Pusley isn’t in the U.S. Marine Corps Reserve, he didn’t serve overseas as he told CBS13 on Wednesday and he was discharged after less than a year with the second-lowest ranking in the Marines, private first class (E-2).

Pusley, who stood guard in uniform but unarmed outside Hughson Elementary School on Wednesday, was stationed at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot in San Diego from July 2007 until April 2008, according to the Marines’ public affairs office. He was never deployed.

“I’m in shock, that’s very bad,” said one mother. “This isn’t something to be playing around with; this is serious and it’s scary.”

Pusley said Wednesday he was a sergeant in the Reserve after being on active duty in Afghanistan. He also claimed to be in the service for nearly 10 years, as well as serving two tours in Iraq.

Some parents hope school administrators will think twice before letting a man in uniform on campus.

“Check, just to make sure they are who they say they are, because anybody can do it, take advantage and something mad could happen,” the mother said.

Pusley was back in front of the school on Thursday but in a coat and tie. He said Wednesday he was prompted to take action after the tragic school shooting last week in Newtown, Conn. He left mid-morning, however, as questions surfaced about his past.

“I would take a bullet for any one of these kids whether I know them or not,” he told CBS 13 Wednesday. “If a gunman comes into this school, I’m not gonna kill him. I’m gonna drag him out of here. I’m gonna let the law take care of him.”

The school’s principal, Laura Fong, wouldn’t comment on Thursday because she said she didn’t know all the facts regarding the controversy. But she said it was a “very heartwarming thing” when the former Marine showed up Wednesday and his presence made her and the staff feel safer.

But once administrators learned he was lying about his service record, Pusley was kicked off campus.

CBS13 tried reaching out to him, but was unsuccessful.

maybe next time he'll wear his gille suit he made from his moms Snuggie instead. HHHOOAAAHHHH Marine HHHHOOOOAAAHHHH LOL

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Sieg

I'm friends with the owners of the three most popular specialty gun shops in town, one is also the shooting range on I-5. They have been setting sales records the last three years mainly on personal defense weapons even with the new Cabela's store in town. The Cabela's store firearms department is moving an alarming number of handguns and assault weapons (black guns).

My guess is that 100's of thousands of guns have been sold just because of the ban talk. It's an absolute boon to gun shops/dealers.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

same thing happened during the first Obama election.