What would a USCA pro-touring class look like??

[GrabberGT]

Originally Posted by dunnjun

I think Sik68 had the right idea. Two classes, "early models" and "late models". That way if I want to chase Mark or Kyle around for the Early model win I can drive Blu, or if I want to chase Danny or Ken around for the Late model win, I can drive the C5. And if I really want to go for the overall, I can build a Ken Block AWD, and try to keep up with the RS Motors gang. Seriously the AWD guys are going to be tough to beat!

LOL... I finally watched the Gymkhana video yesterday and wondered if Jimi offered him a Golden Ticket. I wonder how someone of that caliber could have placed. I think road course would have been his weak spot due to discipline and car setup.

[Ron in SoCal]

^ I think the driver rules woulda put him in exhibition class Chris (?), but yeah seeing that car run would be fun!

[GrabberGT]

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal

^ I think the driver rules woulda put him in exhibition class Chris (?), but yeah seeing that car run would be fun!

I remember when Tanner Foust came out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRO5uUV7bps

[tazzz2_ca]

Just an observation here gang.... While I appreciate everyone like to compete the real thrust of this was setup to challenge your own time. If you want truly competitive racing you almost need to consider a highly regulated SCCA type format..

Now this said, can 75% of you honestly tell me who finished where and at what event??? I highly doubt it to honest. So here we are, a group of middle aged and graceful aged ;-) men and women that play this game for the most part... If we look at our lives, I willing to bet a good portion of them like to feel 21 at heart, but realize they aren't...

So what brings us together???
- We like to challenge ourselves in the cars in a safe environment, likely...
- I know see my car family at events knocks me over, what about you?
- If we each had the wonder car, I mean the perfect weapon,, are we going to on average beat the top drivers,,,,, I'd guess no for the most part.
- I don't know about you guys but I can say when someone, anyone shows up with a cool car that has been done right (your basic 69 by Mark, or Brian Finch that can both build it,, and drive it).... That's a benchmark moment that I really enjoy and almost always see a thread of few threads all about the car and how it ran...
- Being a foodie,,,, The party and telling the lies around the cars all day and evening rate extremely high for me,,, how about you? I'd almost go as far to say there are few that can name the winners of events all year but many that can tell about the lies, food and partys...

I guess the point I'm trying to bring up here is,,, there is always someone faster. While it's a gas to go fast and win, it may not be all it's cracked up to be... and certain drivers are going to dominate... I guess we have to decide why we're showing up on our own.

The different innovation going on and the limited rules provides the perfect breeding grounds for creativity.. I sure spend more time looking at the new muscle car builds,, and get more pleasure from seeing my friends at these events than any thoughts of "who's in first can bring"....

Bret Volkel put it best a few years ago,,,, """We are a Drinking club with a car problem""""... This is a social event,, not a race (at least for me),, the difference here is I get to toss the all to often penguin suite in my life and all socially correct BS for a Hell of a good day/s in a car around some of the best & most fun people I've ever hung out with... Just some food for thought on what brings you to an event,, to possibly consider as to what floats your boat within this hobby/lifestyle..

[Rod P]

I see that it was suggested Two classes, "early models" and "late models",,I think it should be 2 classes also but those should be a Electronics and Standards class

Electronics Class- to included ANY car with any Traction controls, ABS or Electronic Differentials

Standards Class- to included ANY car without Electronic Driver aids

that keeps the field even.....its simple if you want to add ABS or traction controls to your early 60's or 70's car...then you race against cars with the same drivers aids such as Corvettes, 5th Gen Camaros, all wheel drives and so on....and early Iron cars can have a more even group

[camcojb]

Originally Posted by Rod P

I see that it was suggested Two classes, "early models" and "late models",,I think it should be 2 classes also but those should be a Electronics and Standards class

Electronics Class- to included ANY car with any Traction controls, ABS or Electronic Differentials

Standards Class- to included ANY car without Electronic Driver aids

that keeps the field even.....its simple if you want to add ABS or traction controls to your early 60's or 70's car...then you race against cars with the same drivers aids such as Corvettes, 5th Gen Camaros, all wheel drives and so on....and early Iron cars can have a more even group

The only problem with that is an older 60's muscle car with ABS for example cannot compete equally with a late model Vette with equal power and driving skills. The later model car has a huge advantage in aero, center of gravity, and track width.

[camcojb]

Originally Posted by Rod P

I see that it was suggested Two classes, "early models" and "late models",,I think it should be 2 classes also but those should be a Electronics and Standards class

Electronics Class- to included ANY car with any Traction controls, ABS or Electronic Differentials

Standards Class- to included ANY car without Electronic Driver aids

that keeps the field even.....its simple if you want to add ABS or traction controls to your early 60's or 70's car...then you race against cars with the same drivers aids such as Corvettes, 5th Gen Camaros, all wheel drives and so on....and early Iron cars can have a more even group

The only problem with that is an older 60's muscle car with ABS for example cannot compete equally with a late model Vette with equal power and driving skills. The later model car has a huge advantage in aero, center of gravity, and track width. Having ABS does not make them equal.

[Rod P]

Originally Posted by camcojb

The only problem with that is an older 60's muscle car with ABS for example cannot compete equally with a late model Vette with equal power and driving skills. The later model car has a huge advantage in aero, center of gravity, and track width.

agreed, but this is in play to even the Vintage car field...I know of two cars at the last OUSCI event, Steilows 69 Camaro and Thurmans 64 vette both had ABS...I know that they cant compete with the modern cars...but those aids help them against classic muscle, all drivers aids drive together, or remove the aids completely and return to the standards class

[camcojb]

Originally Posted by Rod P

agreed, but this is in play to even the Vintage car field...I know of two cars at the last OUSCI event, Steilows 69 Camaro and Thurmans 64 vette both had ABS...I know that they cant compete with the modern cars...but those aids help them against classic muscle, all drivers aids drive together, or remove the aids completely and return to the standards class

I understand it gives them an advantage over the older cars, but it isn't anywhere near enough to make them compete evenly with late model cars. So I still don't think that's the way to make two classes.

[Vegas69]

With the variety of cars, it's going to be tough to legislate something that makes anyone happy. I still think going back to a heavier weighted design point system is the simplest way. It worked well in the past. If I recall, it bounced back and forth from old to new that way?