Shooting in Connecticut

[Ketzer]

This guy has a really good take on all of this, it is a little lengthy but I bet you will chuckle several times and not stop reading...

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/20...n-gun-control/



Jeff-

[intocarss]

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/20...biden-on-guns/

[GregWeld]

If she'd had my Kimber she'd have only needed to hit him once...

[camcojb]

Originally Posted by intocarss

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/m...unshots/nTnGR/

The Loganville mother of two assumed the knocks on her front door Friday afternoon were from a solicitor.

“Don’t answer,” she yelled to her 9-year-old twins playing downstairs.

When the visitor began repeatedly ringing the doorbell, she called her husband at work.

“Get the kids and hide,” he told his wife.

As he dialed 911, his 37-year-old spouse, who works from home, collected the children and hid with them in a crawlspace adjoining her office. By that time, the intruder had forced his way into the three-story residence on Henderson Ridge Drive with a crowbar, authorities said. He allegedly rummaged through the home, eventually working his way up to the attic office.

“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver,” said Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman, who relayed the woman’s narrative to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. He asked that her name be withheld.

The woman fired six bullets, five of which hit Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area, Chapman said. But Slater was still conscious.

“The guy’s face down, crying,” the sheriff said. The woman told him to stay down or she’d shoot again.

Slater, unaware that she had emptied her chamber, obliged as the mother and her children ran to a neighbor’s house.

The injured burglar eventually made it out of the home and into his car, driving away before deputies arrived on the scene. He didn’t get far.

“When you got five bullets in you, it makes you kind of disoriented,” Chapman told the AJC.

Deputies found Slater bleeding profusely in a neighbor’s driveway.

“I’m dying. Help me,” he told them, according to Chapman.

Slater was transported to Gwinnett Medical Center and is expected to survive, the sheriff said.

The Long Island native, who now lives in Gwinnett County, was released from the Gwinnett jail in late August after serving six months for simple battery and three counts of probation violation. Slater has six other arrests in Gwinnett dating back to 2008, according to jail records.

“My wife’s a hero,” the woman’s husband, Donnie Herman, told Channel 2 Action News in a brief statement. He did not respond to a request for comment from the AJC. “She protected her kids. She did what she was supposed to do.”

Chapman remarked that one of his deputies, impressed with the woman’s resolve, told the sheriff she had handled her first shooting better than he had.

“That mother’s instinct kicked in,” Chapman said. “You go after a mother’s kids and she’ll find herself capable of doing things she never thought she was capable of.”

The big problem with gun stats is you don't see how many attack/murders are prevented because someone had a gun.
Just legally carrying and pulling it out has prevented countless attacks. Then you also have the below, which is the above story and one other story from the other side.

Scenario 1) A woman is home alone and hears knocking on the front door late at night. Moments later, she hears intruders breaking into her house. Not having a gun, she dutifully calls 911 and waits for help, trying to hide for her safety. The intruders find her, shoot her several times, and rob her home. No arrests have been made.

Scenario 2) A woman is home with her two kids. After someone repeatedly ringing the doorbell, she calls her husband at work, who tells her to hide with the two kids while he calls 911. The intruder forces his way in to the home with a crowbar, opens the door to the closet where the 3 were hiding, only to find himself face to face with a .38 - and gets shot 5 times. The suspect survives and is in custody. The woman and her kids are safe.

I'm sure most would choose the second scenario; those who don't, and perhaps don't agree with gun ownership in any form, would probably dismiss the second scenario as unlikely and improbable, and that the odds are against you actually defending yourself in such a manner.

There's only one problem:

Neither of these are hypothetical.

Both happened within 24 hours of today in the greater Atlanta area.

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http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20...-fulton-county

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/m...unshots/nTnGR/

[Spiffav8]

Originally Posted by camcojb

The big problem with gun stats is you don't see how many attack/murders are prevented because someone had a gun.
Just legally carrying and pulling it out has prevented countless attacks. Then you also have the below, which is the above story and one other story from the other side.

Scenario 1) A woman is home alone and hears knocking on the front door late at night. Moments later, she hears intruders breaking into her house. Not having a gun, she dutifully calls 911 and waits for help, trying to hide for her safety. The intruders find her, shoot her several times, and rob her home. No arrests have been made.

Scenario 2) A woman is home with her two kids. After someone repeatedly ringing the doorbell, she calls her husband at work, who tells her to hide with the two kids while he calls 911. The intruder forces his way in to the home with a crowbar, opens the door to the closet where the 3 were hiding, only to find himself face to face with a .38 - and gets shot 5 times. The suspect survives and is in custody. The woman and her kids are safe.

I'm sure most would choose the second scenario; those who don't, and perhaps don't agree with gun ownership in any form, would probably dismiss the second scenario as unlikely and improbable, and that the odds are against you actually defending yourself in such a manner.

There's only one problem:

Neither of these are hypothetical.

Both happened within 24 hours of today in the greater Atlanta area.

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http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20...-fulton-county

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/m...unshots/nTnGR/

Home invasion is happens more than most know and it's been on the rise over the past few years. My wife get's calls like this all the time where a person is cowering inside their home, hoping that whomever is pounding on their door will just go away. This is the criminal trying to find out if you home or not. First line of defense is to actually yell "who is it". Nothing says you can't be dialing 911 if you suspect it's someone meaning you harm.

The recent shooting of the home invader you pointed out is proof that limiting the capacity of a firearm, used in self defense, could leave a person vulnerable. The shooter emptied all 6 round and connected with 5. The home invader survived, but what if there had been more than one? Not the time to be trying to reload your revolver! Trust me when I say that it's usually more than one guy. Hey..today's TV's are pretty heavy.

[Spiffav8]

Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012

Large caliber, two in the chest, one in the head, and then hit the panic button to call the clean up crews....

Always be ready, just in case....Survivor criminals is not an option...

Nice tuff guy talk, but not smart on any level. While I'm not against shooting someone in the head if I have to, putting two in the chest and then one to the head would be viewed as execution. That alone would cause you to be jailed for a very long time, regardless if you where found innocent or not. The best thing anyone can do when they are forced to go defensive is to get the police on the phone as fast as possible. If you just shot someone you had better request an ambulance/medical (maybe two, one for the bad guy and one for you). It would be smart to go so far as to give that person whatever aid you can (not saying it has to be much). Reasons behind this is to ONE: Make a good 911 tape. It's your best defense on what happened. TWO: You're showing that you did not want to kill the person, but where forced to fire your weapon. THREE: Even after you shot them, you did all you could to save their life. Lastly, if the intruder had a weapon of any sort, insure that it doesn't get removed from the area. Don't touch it, but don't let someone run off with it either. Oh and grab anyone that witnessed what happened.

Accomplish all that and you just did all the work for the police, DA and will deter any attorney that wants to sue you. Be smart and safe guard the rest of your life and all that you have, not just with a gun.

[GregWeld]

Curtis brings up some good points --- but not completely accurate, or even proper under the law... There's really no law that states you must render aid. And I, for one, would not. Doing so may in fact bring about a whole new set of circumstances such as "destroying evidence" or doing more harm than good etc. Another factor you should consider is that there very well maybe another intruder you're unaware of "yet"... and now you're disarmed and distracted.

Best to just call 9-1-1 and let them sort it out.

BTW - The last thing I want to do is to shoot someone -- and then have them survive and sue me for taking care of them for the rest of their lives on a ventilator. No thanks!

EVERYONE should understand the laws IN THEIR STATE... as pertains to defending ones property and person. The laws vary greatly! Part of your responsibility of owning firearms is that you should know the laws. Many states laws are vague at best. But in the end - if you did the reasonable and right thing in the circumstance... you're probably going to be okay.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

[Bucketlist2012]

Also to add to my post, I have signs telling people that I have an alarm..I am not trying to bait someone to rob me, I am actually trying to get them to stay out...

California laws...First you get sued if you did not have a beware of dog sign...

Then you get sued because you had a sign and put one up because you knew your dog was dangerous

Also I do pray that nothing like that will ever happen...I wouldn't mind going the rest of my Life without confronting an Intruder..

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012

California laws...First you get sued if you did not have a beware of dog sign...

Then you get sued because you had a sign and put one up because you knew your dog was dangerous

....... and because it wasn't printed in Chinese and Spanish....

[Bucketlist2012]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

....... and because it wasn't printed in Chinese and Spanish....

Too funny.....Or Ebonics....